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How preemptive bidding ruins lives. and destroys the economy, and causes global warming.

#1 User is offline   snowdragen 

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Posted 2014-March-03, 22:28

Obviously the topic description is an exaggeration :)

I was South in this game. The question is, do you think you could have reached 7? If so, how?



I deliberately didn't include North's response, because it was a CPU in my game. Suffice to say that the final contract was 5, which I thought was an aggressive gamble, but in retrospect was actually too conservative!
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Posted 2014-March-03, 22:50

I can't imagine being allowed to play in 7; surely opponents will sacrifice in 7!

Actually, I can't imagine being allowed to play any contract at any level here. The question is how high you figure you can safely push the opponents.
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Posted 2014-March-03, 23:00

Who was playing a CPU - your side?
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Posted 2014-March-03, 23:26

View PostVampyr, on 2014-March-03, 23:00, said:

Who was playing a CPU - your side?


Only North was a CPU I believe, so my side.

Hmm, I hadn't thought about the possibility of a sacrifice, but it didn't happen in my game. 7 doubled -3 is 600 points, which is substantially less than what a grand slam makes. Still, one can hope
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Posted 2014-March-03, 23:29

[edit]
Oh, you mean CPU, a bot, not CPU, a concealed partnership understanding. Sorry.
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Posted 2014-March-03, 23:34

View PostAntrax, on 2014-March-03, 23:29, said:

[edit]
Oh, you mean CPU, a bot, not CPU, a concealed partnership understanding. Sorry.


Wow, I wasn't even aware that acronym existed. Thanks for letting me know!
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Posted 2014-March-04, 00:19

View Postsnowdragen, on 2014-March-03, 23:26, said:

Only North was a CPU I believe, so my side.

Hmm, I hadn't thought about the possibility of a sacrifice, but it didn't happen in my game. 7 doubled -3 is 600 points, which is substantially less than what a grand slam makes. Still, one can hope


Well, it's 800, but still a good sac.
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Posted 2014-March-04, 03:13

Although NS could bid the perfectly reasonable but doomed 7 over 7.

1-(4)-5- seems the obvious start, but it's then more judgment rather than system.
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Posted 2014-March-04, 04:31

Well, the preempt worked enough to probably stop you from reaching 7. There's just no way to identify that all the cards are present for 13 tricks to be made.

Nonetheless, the North hand has a 1st round control and fits for whatever South bids next. Even better, North has controls and honor combinations in every suit beside s. So, the hand is well worth a 5 bid. 5 should show the 1st round control, imply a fit in , and show a really good hand because the bid is driving the partnership to slam.

After 5 , South should bid 6 , if possible.
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Posted 2014-March-11, 11:17

View Postrmnka447, on 2014-March-04, 04:31, said:

After 5 , South should bid 6 , if possible.


I don't know - can't South try 6C? Duplicate shortage is bad, yes, but South's hand is otherwise good; someone has to have the spades, and it's likely to be North holding the KQ if he bids 5H. After 6C, North very well might bid the grand next. And if he does it by jumping up direct to 7D, West might not take the sac, on the off chance that opps have guessed wrong.

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Posted 2014-March-11, 11:23

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-March-04, 03:13, said:

Although NS could bid the perfectly reasonable but doomed 7 over 7.

1-(4)-5- seems the obvious start, but it's then more judgment rather than system.

Then 5-5NT-7 seems possible if the opps don't bid any more.
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Posted 2014-March-11, 11:52

View Postsnowdragen, on 2014-March-03, 22:28, said:

Obviously the topic description is an exaggeration :)

Yes, I suppose it is an exaggeration - the evidence linking preemptive bidding and global warming is controversial, even if the others are not.... :)
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