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Posted 2013-September-24, 06:48

THIRD SEAT OPENINGS

The best time to open light is in 3rd seat:
- partner has passed, and therefore it is likely the opponents' hand
- if the opponents are to win the auction, we need to remove space, and possibly direct a lead (surely they will find the best contract most often when we Pass)

How light is light?
- if you would overcall at the 1-level, it is probably an ok hand to open light on (9+ decent suit)

Warnings:
- if you have 0-2 spades, and you open light with 1 of another suit, partner may bid 1S, what then?
- make sure you can Pass any response partner makes
- use Drury so as not to get too high with a fit, if 4th seat Passes
- BUT - in competition, use all normal raises - it is *probably* not a light opener, so do not assume so
- open a nice 4 card major if light, but not if full strength (then it might be your hand)

Weak twos:
- Third seat weak two NV can be a reasonable 5 cards with a singleton or void
- make sure partner knows this, and does not raise based on 6 cards

Light openings in third seat do not have to be alerted. It is expected.

Consider odd actions after 2nd seat opens as well - jump overcall at the 2-level with a 5 card suit, e.g. Make a takeout double at fav with 1 HCP.

In general: when partner has Passed, jump in as third seat!

Thanks,
Dan
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Posted 2013-September-24, 07:23

错误的论坛
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Posted 2013-September-24, 09:27

View PostDJNeill, on 2013-September-24, 06:48, said:


The best time to open light is in 3rd seat:



Huh?

I systemically play methods that open much lighter in first / second than they do in third / four...
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Posted 2013-September-24, 10:09

View PostDJNeill, on 2013-September-24, 06:48, said:

THIRD SEAT OPENINGS

The best time to open light is in 3rd seat:
- partner has passed, and therefore it is likely the opponents' hand
- if the opponents are to win the auction, we need to remove space, and possibly direct a lead (surely they will find the best contract most often when we Pass)

How light is light?
- if you would overcall at the 1-level, it is probably an ok hand to open light on (9+ decent suit)

Warnings:
- if you have 0-2 spades, and you open light with 1 of another suit, partner may bid 1S, what then?
- make sure you can Pass any response partner makes
- use Drury so as not to get too high with a fit, if 4th seat Passes
- BUT - in competition, use all normal raises - it is *probably* not a light opener, so do not assume so
- open a nice 4 card major if light, but not if full strength (then it might be your hand)

Weak twos:
- Third seat weak two NV can be a reasonable 5 cards with a singleton or void
- make sure partner knows this, and does not raise based on 6 cards

Light openings in third seat do not have to be alerted. It is expected.

Consider odd actions after 2nd seat opens as well - jump overcall at the 2-level with a 5 card suit, e.g. Make a takeout double at fav with 1 HCP.

In general: when partner has Passed, jump in as third seat!

Thanks,
Dan

美国著名的桥牌教练,红丝带获得者,桥牌大师丹·尼尔应邀来到我们华人论坛,做专栏嘉宾主持人。希望大家积极跟帖讨论学习。
下面我把丹大师的原文翻译如下:


第三家的轻开叫

作者:丹·尼尔

轻开叫的最佳时机是第三家:
- 同伴应叫pass过了,因此定约很可能属于敌方。
- 如果是敌方赢得定约,我们需要消耗空间,可能是首攻指示性的(大多数通常情况下,当我方pass时,可以肯定敌方将会寻找到最佳定约)

那么,轻开叫有多轻?

- 如果你有能够在一阶争叫的一手牌,那么这手牌很可能就是适于轻开叫(9P+的好套子)

警告:
- 如果你有0-2张S,而你却轻开叫其他花色,同伴一旦可能应叫1S,那时你该如何处理好?
- 确保你可以pass同伴所作的任何应叫
- 第三家轻开叫,如果第四家pass,同伴使用德鲁利约定叫以免花色相配时定约太高。
- 但是!在竟叫进程中,使用所有的正常加叫 - 请不要以为同伴很可能不是轻开叫者。
- 轻开叫时,开叫4张好的花色;但如果正常点力开叫,就不要这样,因为最后定约可能属于你方。

弱二轻开:
- 第三家无局弱二可以是较好的5张花色,并有单缺的一手牌。
- 确保同伴知晓这一原理,不要作基于6张的加叫。

第三家的轻开叫不必提醒,这是可预料中的事情。
在第二家开叫后下列行动也同样地认为是古怪的:
5张花色套的在二阶上的跳争叫;用1hcp的牌做技术性加倍。

总而言之,当同伴pass后,投入第三家!

谢谢大家。


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Posted 2013-September-24, 10:35

Dan Neill大师是 意大利二盖一体系Ambra的贡献者,也是著名的波兰梅花WJ05体系的翻译者!著名的桥牌教练。
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Posted 2013-September-24, 10:40

第3家的叫牌的确有很大的不同。
今天刚好在第3家拿了这样一幅牌:
s8xx hAQJT8 d9876 cJ
双无,前2家不叫,我选择了2h。打完同伴告诉我5张套不要叫2h,我回答道:套好的情况下是可以的(注意,现在是第3家且无局);
阻击叫,特别是无局的第3家,我认为完全可以灵活处理,而pd不应该对第3家的阻击叫期望过高。
无局时,但凡有理由开叫或者阻击叫的牌,第3家一定要叫,尽可能的压缩第4家的叫牌空间。
对丹大师的以上观点非常认可,同时欢迎丹大师的到来。
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Posted 2013-September-24, 11:25

Very pleased to hear one of the author of Ambra! Hope to learn Ambra in depth :)
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Posted 2013-September-25, 01:59

very nice,hope for more lessons.
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Posted 2013-September-25, 03:04

非常好,希望有更多的牌例讲解
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Posted 2013-September-25, 03:10

写得灰常好,支持一下,期待下一期的讲座~默默学习了
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Posted 2013-September-25, 03:44

欢迎外国大师来到论坛讲座。
感谢专家给出的有理有据的对第三家开叫的论述,希望在将来的实践中,搭档能达成共识,共同把这种理念贯穿到我们的体系中去。
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Posted 2013-September-25, 05:50

View PostDJNeill, on 2013-September-24, 06:48, said:

THIRD SEAT OPENINGS

The best time to open light is in 3rd seat:
- partner has passed, and therefore it is likely the opponents' hand
- if the opponents are to win the auction, we need to remove space, and possibly direct a lead (surely they will find the best contract most often when we Pass)

How light is light?
- if you would overcall at the 1-level, it is probably an ok hand to open light on (9+ decent suit)

Warnings:
- if you have 0-2 spades, and you open light with 1 of another suit, partner may bid 1S, what then?
- make sure you can Pass any response partner makes
- use Drury so as not to get too high with a fit, if 4th seat Passes
- BUT - in competition, use all normal raises - it is *probably* not a light opener, so do not assume so
- open a nice 4 card major if light, but not if full strength (then it might be your hand)

Weak twos:
- Third seat weak two NV can be a reasonable 5 cards with a singleton or void
- make sure partner knows this, and does not raise based on 6 cards

Light openings in third seat do not have to be alerted. It is expected.

Consider odd actions after 2nd seat opens as well - jump overcall at the 2-level with a 5 card suit, e.g. Make a takeout double at fav with 1 HCP.

In general: when partner has Passed, jump in as third seat!

Thanks,
Dan

Welcome first!
and I got into trouble that my partner responded 2nt with 2 card suporting and about 11p when I openned 1M with good suit and 9p+.2nt contract was too high obvious for us in total 20p.Could you tell us how to avoid this thing happen?
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Posted 2013-September-25, 06:12

Warmly welcome Master Dan Neill to our Discussion Forims and to lecture !
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Posted 2013-September-25, 18:28

还有人帮忙翻译,谢谢了。这样的讲座很有必要,顶一个!
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Posted 2013-September-25, 19:51

谢谢Dan Neill大师!谢谢lycier翻译!
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Posted 2013-September-26, 00:29

Thank you very much, Dan Neill master! Hope to see more about you!
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Posted 2013-September-26, 01:40

丹大师在教导我们:第三家轻开叫时,要多算几步,把各种情况想下再来决定是否轻开叫,叫什么花色,若是OP庄这个轻开叫花色有意义吗,同时自己的P也要注意自己的P开叫的位置。有实力时应正常开叫。谢谢丹大师! :rolleyes:
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Posted 2013-September-26, 01:55

学习了,非常好,就是少了点。
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Posted 2013-September-26, 01:57

View Postynhhyjb, on 2013-September-26, 01:55, said:

学习了,非常好,就是少了点。


内容多了,我哪有那么多时间翻译啊,大师马上附上具体牌例讲解。
奉劝大家把大师的讲座当作教科书课本背诵下来。
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Posted 2013-September-26, 03:22

大伙可以轮流翻译,心烛一人翻译太辛苦。
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