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#1 User is offline   steve2005 

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Posted 2013-August-04, 11:34

i'm sure ive seen system of transfers over takeout double of 1N here. Ive tried searching but u cant search on 1D(too small) so didn't have any luck

transfers over 1 double make a lot of sense and is easy to come up with a system that is nice

1 double a little more difficult. I think your gonna lose natural redouble. Anyone got a method?

if it makes a difference 1 is unbalanced
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Posted 2013-August-04, 13:43

We play transfers through 1N. Our 1S is bal, minors or weak diamonds. We play system on starting with 2C. There are probably lots of threads on 1D X.
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Posted 2013-August-04, 15:02

We lose the natural redouble and use it as a transfer to hearts. Hasn't been a problem yet.
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Posted 2013-August-04, 18:00

like this a lot, its important to get the takeout Xer on lead as often as possible
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Posted 2013-August-04, 20:12

I never developed a fully fleshed out system over 1-X, but having worked hard on the 1M-X version, the "lost" XX hands pass and then double. If 3 hands have near opening values (in the case of a normal XX responder), you can bet 4th hand isn't sitting for the X and is taking it out to some cheap suit since they're nearly broke. So you've essentially got a situation where the opps are in a forcing auction, so you can safely pass and plan on bidding again later. This opens up a lot of options, systems-wise, for how to treat strongish hands by repsonder.
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Posted 2013-August-05, 01:44

We play an entire level of transfers, starting with the RDbl. The loss of the natural RDbl isn't that big imo, and there are other ways to penalize opps.

So:
RDbl = 4+
1 = 4+
1 = transfer to NT
1NT = transfer , pretty much any strength
2 = good raise
2 = weak raise
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Posted 2013-August-07, 11:52

View PostFree, on 2013-August-05, 01:44, said:

So: ...

While over 1 (X) I play transfers with a 4+ card suit (twalsh "on"), after 1 (X) transfer (pass), how do you play? Jump completion with 4, completion with 2+, or what?
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Posted 2013-August-07, 12:55

Completion of a Major with a 3 card, jump completion with 4.
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Posted 2013-August-07, 13:38

View PostfromageGB, on 2013-August-07, 11:52, said:

While over 1 (X) I play transfers with a 4+ card suit (twalsh "on"), after 1 (X) transfer (pass), how do you play? Jump completion with 4, completion with 2+, or what?

In general I think you should follow the same style that you play over 1-(X)-transfer.
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Posted 2013-August-08, 03:11

Merci beaucoup. That's the great thing about the BBO forums, they give you new outlooks and ideas. Should be compulsory reading for all bridge players!
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Posted 2013-August-08, 09:38

After 1-(P)-? => We play T-Walsh.

Playing T-Walsh it is easy to play a similar system after:
1x-(1D/H)-?
(with DBL is transfer to 1 over 1).

or after:
1C/D/H-(DBL)-
(with RDBL is transfer to 1 over 1).

=> I would recommend these transfers when playing T-walsh.
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Posted 2013-August-08, 09:54

View Postkgr, on 2013-August-08, 09:38, said:

Playing T-Walsh it is easy to play a similar system after:
1x-(1D/H)-?
(with RDBL is transfer to 1 over 1).

Its my understanding that under ACBL GCC conventional meanings may be given to redoubles and responses
(including free bids)

so you can use 1= and 1= etc. as these are free bids
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Posted 2013-August-08, 10:13

View Postkgr, on 2013-August-08, 09:38, said:

After 1-(P)-? => We play T-Walsh.

Playing T-Walsh it is easy to play a similar system after:
1x-(1D/H)-?
(with RDBL DBL is transfer to 1 over 1).

View Poststeve2005, on 2013-August-08, 09:54, said:

Its my understanding that under ACBL GCC conventional meanings may be given to redoubles and responses
(including free bids)

so you can use 1= and 1= etc. as these are free bids

I obviously did mean DBL iso RDBL
(and all other 1-level bids are transfer, with 1 transfer to 1NT)
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Posted 2013-August-08, 11:19

View Poststeve2005, on 2013-August-08, 09:54, said:

under ACBL GCC conventional meanings may be given to redoubles and responses
(including free bids) thereto


Assuming you are referring to "Competitive" section, item 2, you missed a word.

1 (1) 1= is not GCC-legal (unless 1 was strong and forcing, not the case under discussion here, or 1 was conventional, unlikely).
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Posted 2013-August-08, 11:44

Yeah, double is a cheat, because *everybody* plays double as conventional, so you get to make "any [non-purely-destructive] agreements" over it.

Woe betide you if you find the one pair in the country that plays penalty doubles. Having said that, I might try that one day just for the director calls :-)
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Posted 2013-August-18, 17:49

View Poststeve2005, on 2013-August-04, 11:34, said:

Ive tried searching but u cant search on 1D(too small) so didn't have any luck

You can also try my Systems Index for this sort of thing. I just added this thread.
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