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Posted 2013-June-07, 10:50

 Codo, on 2013-June-03, 06:07, said:

Do you know many players who have a gf in hearts in the multi? Looks like one of the worst treatments ever, because you make the weak hand declarer as often as possible and 2 2 3 is a worse way to set up a GF compared with 2 2 2....

But I agree that mayn people have not much experience with showing their strong multi hands over interference.

In my country most people play multi as a weak two or any GF hand (some exclude extreme 2-suiters though), because it's 'easy': after 2-2 you just pass or bid 2 with the weak two, 2NT with a 24+ balanced hand, and 3X with a GF single- or 2-suiter. For the same reason many play 2 as some weak hand or a semi GF hand, and use the same principles here. I've played them for many years, and in many cases you land on your feet, but slam auctions are a disaster.

So yeah, I know many players who have a GF in in their multi. ;)
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Posted 2013-June-10, 01:21

 Free, on 2013-June-07, 10:50, said:

In my country most people play multi as a weak two or any GF hand (some exclude extreme 2-suiters though), because it's 'easy': after 2-2 you just pass or bid 2 with the weak two, 2NT with a 24+ balanced hand, and 3X with a GF single- or 2-suiter. For the same reason many play 2 as some weak hand or a semi GF hand, and use the same principles here. I've played them for many years, and in many cases you land on your feet, but slam auctions are a disaster.

So yeah, I know many players who have a GF in in their multi. ;)

Interesting multi. I think you can get trouble if partner wants to bid something different than 2 hearts.
But maybe it s not a good idea to barrage with Kxxx,Dxxx,xxx,xxx after partners 2K multi, when partner can have many different strong hands.
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Posted 2013-June-10, 01:45

 Zelandakh, on 2013-June-07, 05:58, said:

This depends entirely on what constitutes "strong" in the context of the call. For example, a common runout method after our 1NT opening gets doubled is for a pass to force a XX from partner, either to play 1NTXX (strong) or with some weak hand that wants to run. If the opponents subsequently bid it is often right to pass at your next turn when holding the "strong" hand. Similarly, what would be your choice of call as North holding an Acol 2 type hand with both major suits? How about if we were white against red? Your rules are entirely too rigid.


OK, rule 1 is not guilty if partner described his hand exactly. But I think it is a bad idea to pass with a strong hand if partner is nearly unlimited like here.
In this situation South acts on the assumption that North has the weak alternative. So South pass after 3 diamonds shows a hand between 0 and more than 12 points.

This shows the problem of your agreement. If you pass with the strong hand you can miss a game or either slam or grand slam. But bidding with the north hand might be a fiasco, too, if south has nothing. Sometimes you re in such a situation after opponents barrage. But here it is you re own barrage that makes your life difficult.

So I appeal to you to bid with strong hands in these situations if partner is nearly unlimited. And your strong alternatives in your multi should be strong enough that you have no problem to bid once more.
That s the reason why it is for example a good idea to put only weak and strong alternatives to a micheals cue and not intermediate ones, too.
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