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#1 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2013-March-10, 04:26


IMPs.

What would you do?

If you double, you'd better tell us what it means too.
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Posted 2013-March-10, 05:25

did I say support with support?, This time I don;t have it that clear as it is quite possible that 5♦ and 5♥ are both down, but I'd hate to let the bidding die without supporting with this.
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Posted 2013-March-10, 05:33

I think it's quite probable that both contracts are going down, but still will bid five hearts.
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Posted 2013-March-10, 05:43

I wish to know the stle of East player.

He did not open 5♦ , he obviously have better hand, or he probably found gold when his pd bid 1♠, or when my pd bid 2♥. I am not really sure if they are going down, hell i am not even pessimistic about our 5♥.

Put me down for 5♥
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Posted 2013-March-10, 07:52

Our auction blabbed HAQx winning for RHO.
And his S-Qxx is working.
Be glad he didn't hear his C-single/void makes 6D.
Let's not push them into that.
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Posted 2013-March-10, 08:31

It's close but I think I would double (which I think is just penalty).
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Posted 2013-March-10, 22:43

View PostJLOGIC, on 2013-March-10, 08:31, said:

It's close but I think I would double (which I think is just penalty).


What's your second choice Justin ?
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Posted 2013-March-11, 00:05

I would lead a club.

I think it's close between doubling and passing. MP would tilt me toward doubling.

I am not sure both contracts are down -- I've got enough hearts that my partner may not be winning a heart trick -- but anybody who thinks 5H has a prayer of making hasn't seen the hands my partners usually have for 2H in this spot. (Something like a chunky weak two seems to be a whole lot more common than the odd 15-pointer with 5 hearts.)
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Posted 2013-March-11, 00:46

View PostMrAce, on 2013-March-10, 22:43, said:

What's your second choice Justin ?


5H, I would never pass personally...not in my DNA lol
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Posted 2013-March-11, 06:36

Double would be penalty and I would choose it.
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Posted 2013-March-11, 06:48

Who is righty? What methods do they play?

5♦ is a lot of diamonds. Righty is likely to have a partial spade fit otherwise it makes no sense - maybe 3?8? distribution. If lefty has 4♠ bidding is no bargain, but if he has 5 spades, partner is likely 1624 or 1633 (this one could lead to an overruff in diamonds), which could mean that BOTH contracts could make opposite the ♥AK and the ♣Q.

I've talked myself into 5♥.
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Posted 2013-March-11, 08:39

Put me down for 5♥. I think that both will go down (RHO could have bid 3♥, but didn't) but I will not take the risk that one of them will make.

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Posted 2013-March-11, 08:40

View PostPhilKing, on 2013-March-11, 06:48, said:

Who is righty? What methods do they play?

Nobody famous, playing Benjamin Acol.
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Posted 2013-March-11, 08:46

Does anyone except me think that double should mean "I think we have a game-bonus to protect", rather than just being penalties?
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Posted 2013-March-11, 10:28

View Postgnasher, on 2013-March-11, 08:46, said:

Does anyone except me think that double should mean "I think we have a game-bonus to protect", rather than just being penalties?

I wonder if this distinction is too subtle to be useful when we have to make a five-level decision.
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Posted 2013-March-11, 14:30

View Postgnasher, on 2013-March-11, 08:46, said:

Does anyone except me think that double should mean "I think we have a game-bonus to protect", rather than just being penalties?


I can't speak for others, but I certainly don't want to play it that way. What you are saying is probably close to "I'd like to bid on unless you want to defend", but less constructively formulated. I would like to play this double for penalties though.
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Posted 2013-March-11, 14:39

View Posthan, on 2013-March-11, 14:30, said:

I can't speak for others, but I certainly don't want to play it that way. What you are saying is probably close to "I'd like to bid on unless you want to defend", but less constructively formulated. I would like to play this double for penalties though.


I'm going to guess Andy plays it as an 79, where that reflects the percentage of the time partner will leave it in.
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Posted 2013-March-11, 15:55

View Postgnasher, on 2013-March-11, 08:46, said:

Does anyone except me think that double should mean "I think we have a game-bonus to protect", rather than just being penalties?

How would you define the situation in which this agreement applies?
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Posted 2013-March-11, 16:08

View Postlalldonn, on 2013-March-11, 15:55, said:

How would you define the situation in which this agreement applies?


It seems that it would apply when our side is suddenly jammed to a very high level and the person UTG hasn't had a chance to express that we have ownership (+) of the deck.
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Posted 2013-March-12, 01:22

But gnasher's double doesn't show ownership, it is an "almost ownership"-double.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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