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1C-1H-x-2H
3C-3H-x-4S
your agreements say that 4S is keycard for hearts if hearts have been bid and raised.
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Posted 2013-February-20, 18:21
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2013-February-20, 19:22
I must be missing something. If our agreement is keycard, why is this a question? And how could it be natural after the first round of bidding?
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Posted 2013-February-20, 19:55
gwnn, on 2013-February-20, 18:21, said:
your agreements say that 4S is keycard for hearts if hearts have been bid and raised.
So is the question, do our agreements fail to exist when partner does something weird? I believe they continue to exist. All the more considering that the alternative meaning makes no sense either.
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Posted 2013-February-20, 20:14
DNE but I'd take it as natural if it happened
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Posted 2013-February-20, 23:10
RKC, IMO the most liekly scenario is that partner wanted to bid 2C as limit+ but made an error and bid 2H instead.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 03:35
benlessard, on 2013-February-20, 23:10, said:
RKC, IMO the most liekly scenario is that partner wanted to bid 2C as limit+ but made an error and bid 2H instead.
I think he meant to pull 4♥ and pulled 4♠, but no problem yet, I give him a RKC response.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 03:42
benlessard, on 2013-February-20, 23:10, said:
RKC, IMO the most liekly scenario is that partner wanted to bid 2C as limit+ but made an error and bid 2H instead.
Funny, I thought the most likely scenario is that we play transfers in competition and Overcaller forgot. I agree with Justin, this just does not exist.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 03:59
Why even answer this when this clearly does not exist?
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Posted 2013-February-21, 04:16
the hog, on 2013-February-21, 03:59, said:
Why even answer this when this clearly does not exist?
Presumably because it happened? We all know people do impossible things at times. Maybe there is a UI question lurking in the background?
Anyway, I think I would normally pass and assume this is where partner wants to play for some reason which it is not worth me trying to understand.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 04:23
This did happen but there was no UI question 
My partner asked after the hand 'well how else was I going to bid this hand?' (I'm not going to reveal his hand yet if that's OK with everyone).
My partner asked after the hand 'well how else was I going to bid this hand?' (I'm not going to reveal his hand yet if that's OK with everyone).
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 06:17
Ok, lets ask opponents, is double of 3♥ penalty?
I think 8 spades and 3 hearts makes very little sense but it is the only thing that has any at all. Bidding 2♥ to follow with keycard has none.
BTW: remember to berate partner for this silly kickback he forced me to play and use this hand as an argument to finally drop it.
I think 8 spades and 3 hearts makes very little sense but it is the only thing that has any at all. Bidding 2♥ to follow with keycard has none.
BTW: remember to berate partner for this silly kickback he forced me to play and use this hand as an argument to finally drop it.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 06:25
I can imagine partner, with drool running down his chin and a mad glint in his eye, revealing:
♠KJTxxxxx
♥Jxx
♦xx
♣-
♠KJTxxxxx
♥Jxx
♦xx
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Posted 2013-February-21, 06:45
I wait a bit to see if he wants to correct his mechanical error. Then I pass. Perhaps he was trying to get doubled but bottled it.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-February-21, 06:52
gnasher, on 2013-February-21, 06:45, said:
I wait a bit to see if he wants to correct his mechanical error. Then I pass. Perhaps he was trying to get doubled but bottled it.
Are you allowed to pause for this reason? Is this a variation in tempo that may work to the benefit of our side? It is certainly not unintentional.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 09:57
I'm responding rkc just to stay out of committee.
Breaking our agreement would tend to confirm UI even if only the slightest hitch by pard but if an accident happened we are still allowed to land on our feet by sticking to what's on the convention card.
Breaking our agreement would tend to confirm UI even if only the slightest hitch by pard but if an accident happened we are still allowed to land on our feet by sticking to what's on the convention card.
When a deaf person goes to court is it still called a hearing?
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Posted 2013-February-21, 09:59
it was a jump bid, so you should wait a bit just for that reason. That's allowed and should be sufficient for him to notice his error.
Another situation where I wait for an opponent is when RHO has made a bid I suspect is alertable, I'll give LHO a few seconds to alert.
Another situation where I wait for an opponent is when RHO has made a bid I suspect is alertable, I'll give LHO a few seconds to alert.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 10:41
I assume the bidders are flushed with confidence for their RKCB interpretation and are willing to absolve themselves of blame when it inevitably goes wrong.
What do you think partner has?
What do you think partner has?
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Posted 2013-February-21, 11:08
i don't think 8-3 is so odd. he could probably hazard a guess that 2h wasn't going to be passed out so bid it on the way to 4s lest partner need to judge over 5m. of course this would have its downsides, most obviously that the opps might bid 5m before you got the chance to bid spades.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 11:23
8-3 would not bid 2♥ lol. I mean if I'm really trying to guess what happened, partner saw his hand wrong, like he had xx Qxx xxx KQJxx and then one of his spade x turned out to be the ace of clubs and he had x Qxx xxx AKQJxx, well not that exact hand because of 1♣ and 3♣ but you get the idea.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 11:27
lalldonn, on 2013-February-21, 11:23, said:
8-3 would not bid 2♥ lol. I mean if I'm really trying to guess what happened, partner saw his hand wrong, like he had xx Qxx xxx KQJxx and then one of his spade x turned out to be the ace of clubs and he had x Qxx xxx AKQJxx, well not that exact hand because of 1♣ and 3♣ but you get the idea.
Trouble is, that requires one or both opponents psyched and partner missorted. Occam's razor suggests the 8-3 explanation or partner had his hand mis-sorted, since it requires only one comedian. Perhaps he though he was 4333 and now realizes he is 7330.