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Weirdest/worst agreements you've encountered at the table?

#241 User is offline   TylerE 

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Posted 2013-June-25, 13:30

View Postinquiry, on 2013-June-25, 12:51, said:

An "inkle" bid. While in college, my partner and I were invited to play bridge against two lovely coed's in their campus apartment. One or two hands in, one said, "I inkle a spade". After questioning them for a while, they said an inkle bid is like a pass, but it shows your partner that you ALMOST wanted to bid whatever suit was "inkled." Normally, we would have stomped off, but, having knowledge what the opponents held helped us more than it helped them, and besides, these were really lovely coeds who provided food and drink as well. So of course we stayed.


Sounds a bit like the old "uh" openings.

So, like, opening "a spade" would show a minimum and opening "one spade" showed extras, or vice versa.
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Posted 2013-June-25, 20:00

View PostTylerE, on 2013-June-25, 13:30, said:

Sounds a bit like the old "uh" openings.

So, like, opening "a spade" would show a minimum and opening "one spade" showed extras, or vice versa.



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Posted 2013-June-26, 00:44

inkle a spade = 8-10
inkle one spade = 11-13
a spade = 14-16
one spade = 17+

I suppose it might be better to split the hands by spade length but we could add a hand signal for that. This kind of innovation would match wonderfully with relay systems too - just think of the possibilities! Of course, given the circumstances a good compromise would have been to say that they could inkle as many bids as they liked but each one cost them a button.
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Posted 2013-July-09, 13:46

Is that the:

one club: normal
a club: short
I'll start with a club: forcing, probably an offshape 2NT opener (or an onshape 2NT opener; these players still play 2NT as 22-24)

system?
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Posted 2013-July-09, 14:41

I was told of an agreement yesterday where 2D/H/S show weak 2 suiters, that part is fine. However, despite showing the suit bid, these are all forcing, and required the responder to show how many HCP they had.
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Posted 2013-July-10, 09:07

View Postmanudude03, on 2013-July-09, 14:41, said:

I was told of an agreement yesterday where 2D/H/S show weak 2 suiters, that part is fine. However, despite showing the suit bid, these are all forcing, and required the responder to show how many HCP they had.


Please tell me these are one step per HCP :)
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Posted 2013-July-10, 09:56

View PostCamHenry, on 2013-July-10, 09:07, said:

Please tell me these are one step per HCP :)

Of course! How else can you play it?
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Posted 2013-July-10, 10:15

You can invert it, so weaker hands preempt higher.
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Posted 2013-July-10, 10:19

View PostAntrax, on 2013-July-10, 10:15, said:

You can invert it, so weaker hands preempt higher.


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Posted 2013-July-10, 11:17

View PostCamHenry, on 2013-July-10, 09:07, said:

Please tell me these are one step per HCP :)


Not quite, it's 0-6HCP for first step 2HCP per step after.
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Posted 2013-August-09, 06:46

I have played a couple of times against a pair, that uses the following 2M openings:

2 - multi: weak 6 card hearts or weak 6 card spades
2 - weak 6 card spades

I think one of them shows really weak spades, but sadly I cannot recall which one. :(
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Posted 2013-August-12, 09:34

I have nothing dramatic, but the one i've come across that I hate the most is this:

playing weak NT one pair played a 2NT response to stayman as showing both majors... just hate that as surely one of the key uses for stayman when playing a weak NT is for bad hands to try and escape somewhere :huh:
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Posted 2013-August-12, 09:59

View Postlelle1, on 2013-August-09, 06:46, said:

I have played a couple of times against a pair, that uses the following 2M openings:

2 - multi: weak 6 card hearts or weak 6 card spades
2 - weak 6 card spades

I think one of them shows really weak spades, but sadly I cannot recall which one. :(


2H weak with or is a great convention
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Posted 2013-August-12, 09:59

I disagree with that in principle. No need for an escape until they start doubling.
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Posted 2013-August-12, 10:03

View PostTylerE, on 2013-August-12, 09:59, said:

I disagree with that in principle. No need for an escape until they start doubling.


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Posted 2013-August-12, 12:01

View Posteagles123, on 2013-August-12, 09:34, said:

I have nothing dramatic, but the one i've come across that I hate the most is this:

playing weak NT one pair played a 2NT response to stayman as showing both majors... just hate that as surely one of the key uses for stayman when playing a weak NT is for bad hands to try and escape somewhere :huh:

I love it when my opponents have bad agreements. :D
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Posted 2013-August-13, 02:45

2NT as response to Stayman showing both majors has advantages. You can play nonpromisory Stayman while at the same time allowing
1NT-2
2-2
to show a 5-card suit so that you don't have to commit yourself to 2NT when you have an invitational hand with five spades.

But it does require you to play the the 2NT response to Stayman as showing a minimum with both majors since otherwise responder won't know what to do with an invitational hand without a major. Playing 2NT as "both majors, any strength" seems pointless to me. But maybe I am missing something.

Anyway, in a weak NT context I agree it is much better to bid 2 with both majors, even if playing nonpromisory.
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Posted 2013-August-13, 02:51

I opened 1. LHO bid 2, alerted.
1-(2*)-pass-(2)
(pass)-4-a.p.

I asked what the auction meant. It appeared that 2 showed 17+ points and all responses were natural and positive. I asked what advancer would do with a yarb. I was told that with a yarb, advancer would just pass....
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Posted 2013-August-13, 06:01

View Posthelene_t, on 2013-August-13, 02:51, said:

I opened 1. LHO bid 2, alerted.
1-(2*)-pass-(2)
(pass)-4-a.p.

I asked what the auction meant. It appeared that 2 showed 17+ points and all responses were natural and positive. I asked what advancer would do with a yarb. I was told that with a yarb, advancer would just pass....

Congrats, Helene - I think you get my vote for the best entry yet in this competition....
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Posted 2013-August-13, 06:24

View Posthelene_t, on 2013-August-13, 02:45, said:

2NT as response to Stayman showing both majors has advantages. You can play nonpromisory Stayman while at the same time allowing
1NT-2
2-2
to show a 5-card suit so that you don't have to commit yourself to 2NT when you have an invitational hand with five spades.

But it does require you to play the the 2NT response to Stayman as showing a minimum with both majors since otherwise responder won't know what to do with an invitational hand without a major. Playing 2NT as "both majors, any strength" seems pointless to me. But maybe I am missing something.

Anyway, in a weak NT context I agree it is much better to bid 2 with both majors, even if playing nonpromisory.


Lol - I play this. 2NT shows both majors minimum and 3 show a max. I am devastated this has made the list. :(
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