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Posted 2012-August-03, 11:51
Frances's version is probably what I'd expect without discussion. But you could certainly agree that this was 1-4-4-4 or 1-4-5-3 (assuming that an immediate 3S response to 1D would NOT show 1-4-4-4)
Posted 2012-August-03, 15:01
What is 3♠?
1♦ - (P) - 1♥ - (1♠)
P - (P) - 3♠?
-- a self-splinter with long, strong ♥ or
-- a stop-ask with long, strong ♥.
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
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Posted 2012-August-03, 15:09
All other relevant hand-types can afford to bid 2♠ first. Well, it is possible that going through 2♠ would be awkward in some situations, but no more and usually far less awkward than using 3♠ as some kind of 2 (or 3) way bid.
Posted 2012-August-03, 19:12
asking if partner has the spades stopped.
1. self splinter with long strong hearts
2. long strong diamonds maybe wondering if 3n is better than 5d
If we are playing strong jump shifts then hand 1 is out.
We can use this 3s bid if we are not playing strong jump shifts to
show both hand types since we can correct any dia contract to hearts.
ex type hands might be
x AKJTxxx Ax Axx
xx Axxx KQJxxx A
Posted 2012-August-04, 03:37
long hearts is also possible, but I would assume diamond fit,
with long hearts, it is easier to go via 2S, because later on
I still can bid 4H.
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Posted 2012-August-04, 06:23
3♠ was intended as a Splinter showing ♦ support.
Had I wanted to find out about a "♠ stopper" I could certainly have bid 2♠ and partner would bid NT.
So....3♠ must be a splinter.
4♦ then, was Minorwood, and, we are off to the races.
My partner at the time, also thought the 3♠ bid was a stopper ask, though in hindsight he agrees with my bidding.
I was curious about what the forum experts would think since my partner and I had a slight disagreement over this.
Posted 2012-August-04, 14:19
Why? As long as you know about the misfit then splinterbidder just has to have an appropriate suit for his bid. Same as 1M-1N-4x if that is agreed as autosplinter.
In my system I would think 3♠ was splinter for diamonds, because we play 3♥ forcing. But it would be undiscussed. In standard, where 3♥ would be inv, I would assume 3♠ was an autosplinter with hearts. Thanks for the problem - I will clear this with my partner.
Posted 2012-August-05, 05:06
Yes but that case is exceptional, my metha rule says that in general splinter shows fit for last suit partner has shown. Only when there is never a suit shown it is autosplinter. That goes to say that for me a bidding like 1♦-1♠-1NT shows 2-3 spades, 1NT is conceptually a kind of support for me, I know this is far from mainstream way of thinking althou it really doesn't matter much.
BTW I also play 1♠-1NT-4♦ as 5♠-6♥.