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You hold……
KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJx
Matchpoints……..the opponents are silent.
You open 1S, partner bids a FORCING NT.
What is your rebid and why.
edit...added 3c and 4s to the poll options.
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your rebid
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Posted 2012-July-30, 10:24
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Posted 2012-July-30, 11:02
No, we don't have a gadget to show 6 spades and invite game, other than 3S.
Whether 1NT was forcing or not doesn't seem to matter.
Edit: make the hand a bit stronger, and we do have a gadget of sorts: 3N=Game and 6th spade.
Whether 1NT was forcing or not doesn't seem to matter.
Edit: make the hand a bit stronger, and we do have a gadget of sorts: 3N=Game and 6th spade.
This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2012-July-30, 11:07
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Posted 2012-July-30, 11:06
aguahombre, on 2012-July-30, 11:02, said:
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Whether 1NT was forcing or not doesn't seem to matter.
Whether 1NT was forcing or not doesn't seem to matter.
Why doesn't it matter? The way I learned 2/1, a 2nt rebid here wd have promised 18-19 points. But in sayc it's 15-17 I think. I don't know how "standard" that is, but i met plenty people on BBO playing it like me, even without prior agreement.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 11:10
diana_eva, on 2012-July-30, 11:06, said:
Why doesn't it matter? The way I learned 2/1, a 2nt rebid here wd have promised 18-19 points. But in sayc it's 15-17 I think. I don't know how "standard" that is, but i met plenty people on BBO playing it like me, even without prior agreement.
Did you notice the hand is not 5-3-3-2?
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I'm on the fence between 3♠ and 4♠.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 12:00
aguahombre, on 2012-July-30, 11:10, said:
Did you notice the hand is not 5-3-3-2?
Yes. I don't think it's unreasonable to at least consider a 2NT rebid in MPs.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 12:15
diana_eva, on 2012-July-30, 12:00, said:
Yes. I don't think it's unreasonable to at least consider a 2NT rebid in MPs.
In that case, the fact that 1NT was Forcing does indeed matter.
SAYC does allow for a 2NT rebid with 15-17, but in SAYC 1NT is not forcing, SO:
Since we are in a 2/1 style, considering a 2NT rebid is considering a misstatement of both our points and our number of spades. Whether that is reasonable to do is up to you. I would rather not.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 12:27
aguahombre, on 2012-July-30, 12:15, said:
In that case, the fact that 1NT was Forcing does indeed matter.
SAYC does allow for a 2NT rebid with 15-17, but in SAYC 1NT is not forcing, SO:
Since we are in a 2/1 style, considering a 2NT rebid is considering a misstatement of both our points and our number of spades. Whether that is reasonable to do is up to you. I would rather not.
SAYC does allow for a 2NT rebid with 15-17, but in SAYC 1NT is not forcing, SO:
Since we are in a 2/1 style, considering a 2NT rebid is considering a misstatement of both our points and our number of spades. Whether that is reasonable to do is up to you. I would rather not.
Yup
Now you see why I said 1nt forcing matters.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 13:41
Doesn't look like the right hand mess around with 2NT to me ... opponents are likely to figure out which Ax to lead and my black suit tricks are slow. I bid 3S at MP ... might bid 4S at IMPs.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 13:47
I would strongly consider 2N, since 17 with a decent 6-bagger sure feels like 18, plus if partner has Qxx(xx) opp my Ax, it's protected on lead. But I think 3S is pretty normal as well.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 13:52
3♠ is blindingly obvious. I would give a moments thought to 2♣, if my spades were weaker.
2N and 3N are genii calls. I don't know what 4♠ is.
2N and 3N are genii calls. I don't know what 4♠ is.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 13:52
Our problem is that we are worth three and a half spades. Neither 2♣ nor 2NT helps to solve that problem. 2♣ followed by three spades suggests a weaker spade suit, not this hand. I would bid 3♠, but 4♠ is tempting.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 20:47
This hand is right in between 3♣ and 3♠. I think 3♠ is enough as partner will expect 15-17 and 6 spade cards with a semi solid suit. 6 controls is only slightly rich. Can't count on 5 losers yet. I recall we play 3N hoere as solid spades usually 7 cards long.
2N is either 18-19 balanced or Mekstroth Extension (Articifial 18+ GF). Do not like 2N with this hand.
(Usually when I bid 3C with this hand partner has his A and out 1NT flyer, while when I bid 3♠ partner has a ♠void for me with 2 red queen/jacks and 3 small clubs.....
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2N is either 18-19 balanced or Mekstroth Extension (Articifial 18+ GF). Do not like 2N with this hand.
(Usually when I bid 3C with this hand partner has his A and out 1NT flyer, while when I bid 3♠ partner has a ♠void for me with 2 red queen/jacks and 3 small clubs.....
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Posted 2012-July-30, 21:36
3S of course. Even the thought of 2C makes me roll around the floor with laughter - bidding a fake suit when you have 6 good S. Unbelievable!
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3♠ playing Standard. 2♥ followed by 2NT playing transfer rebids.
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Posted 2012-July-31, 06:17
3NT
No second choice at matchpoints, but of course partner may correct.
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No second choice at matchpoints, but of course partner may correct.
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Posted 2012-July-31, 06:58
hand was
x,T8x,KJ9x,Axxxx
KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJx
x,T8x,KJ9x,Axxxx
KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJx
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Hi,
either 3S or 4S, depending on mood, playing MP - 3S is clearly better than 4S.
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either 3S or 4S, depending on mood, playing MP - 3S is clearly better than 4S.
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the hog, on 2012-July-30, 21:36, said:
3S of course. Even the thought of 2C makes me roll around the floor with laughter - bidding a fake suit when you have 6 good S. Unbelievable!
I have to agree! If I can't bid 3♠ with 6223, 17, and good spades, then bridge is becoming too hard for me.
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Posted 2012-July-31, 10:47
mike777, on 2012-July-31, 06:58, said:
hand was
x,T8x,KJ9x,Axxxx
KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJx
x,T8x,KJ9x,Axxxx
KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJx
O.K. Still doesn't change opener's rebid. Responder does whatever he chooses afterward, which wasn't part of the question in this thread ---reassured in the aftermath that opener is or is not a mastermind
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