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2nd-seat R/R pre-empt decision

Poll: 2nd-seat R/R pre-empt decision (26 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call and certainty level

  1. 3D - confident (13 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. 3D - not confident (3 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

  3. Pass - not confident (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  4. Pass - confident (7 votes [26.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.92%

  5. Other (please specify) (2 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

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#1 User is offline   bd71 

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Posted 2012-July-15, 20:35



Teams.

Your call please, and your level of certainty in your answer.
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Posted 2012-July-16, 08:55

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Posted 2012-July-16, 09:37

I am confident more often than I am right.
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Posted 2012-July-16, 09:44

i don't have a weak 2 available?
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Posted 2012-July-16, 09:50

View Postwank, on 2012-July-16, 09:44, said:

i don't have a weak 2 available?

Be thankful if you don't, although it might be fun to show the wrong diamond count in addition to the wrong honor disbursement.
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Posted 2012-July-16, 12:05

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-July-16, 09:50, said:

Be thankful if you don't, although it might be fun to show the wrong diamond count in addition to the wrong honor disbursement.


lol 'wrong diamond count'. do you actually play bridge or just sit at the table reciting your favourite cliches? that's all i ever see you do on here. perhaps you should change your username to bols bridge tip.
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Posted 2012-July-16, 12:56

View Postwank, on 2012-July-16, 12:05, said:

lol 'wrong diamond count'. do you actually play bridge or just sit at the table reciting your favourite cliches? that's all i ever see you do on here. perhaps you should change your username to bols bridge tip.

Keep yours.
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Posted 2012-July-16, 13:54

I pass : the preempt is likely to put more pressure on partner than on the opponents.
Would be a different story in 1st or 3rd seat.
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Posted 2012-July-16, 14:24

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-July-16, 09:50, said:

Be thankful if you don't, although it might be fun to show the wrong diamond count in addition to the wrong honor disbursement.

Looks like a pretty normal 2 in this position/vul to me playing standardish methods, yes it may not be ideal, but it's what I was dealt.
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Posted 2012-July-17, 15:00

I play weak 2 but i open this 3

Look at my spots, if pd tables zero tricks and zero diamond for me, i still can take 5 tricks and u guys think that doesnt worth 3 ?? They are vuln too fgs !!
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Posted 2012-July-17, 16:58

View PostMrAce, on 2012-July-17, 15:00, said:

I play weak 2 but i open this 3

Look at my spots, if pd tables zero tricks and zero diamond for me, i still can take 5 tricks and u guys think that doesnt worth 3 ?? They are vuln too fgs !!

The problem is that my partner usually tables KQJx, xxx, x, KJxxx and I guess the clubs wrong and dial 400 v nothing.
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Posted 2012-July-17, 18:19

This looks like a 2D bid to me as well. Lacking that bid I pass.
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Posted 2012-July-17, 19:24

3. 2 is a distortion with this much playing strength.
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Posted 2012-July-17, 19:36

To those bidding 3D, do you not think you could easily be pre-empting your side out of 4H? Or do you just think that risk is outweighed by other things that can go well?
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Posted 2012-July-17, 22:16

View Postbd71, on 2012-July-17, 19:36, said:

To those bidding 3D, do you not think you could easily be pre-empting your side out of 4H? Or do you just think that risk is outweighed by other things that can go well?



If you are calling a very good description of our hand a "preempt to pd" then i agree with you.
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Posted 2012-July-18, 02:51

View Postbd71, on 2012-July-17, 19:36, said:

To those bidding 3D, do you not think you could easily be pre-empting your side out of 4H? Or do you just think that risk is outweighed by other things that can go well?

More of a problem is that pd with Ax is likely to bid 3N expecting the diamonds to run, if they don't you can be dialling a serious number. The percentage normally quoted as required for a vul game is for one that's going one off, if I held xxxxx, Ax, Ax, Axxx I'd bid 3N like a shot, how many tricks do you expect me to make if the diamonds don't behave ?
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Posted 2012-July-18, 09:36

My style is "3m in 1 or 2 welcomes conversion to 3NT." I'm not bidding 3 - I welcome a conversion to 4, but not to 3NT. I might bid 2, I might pass (second seat only); don't know.

Other styles would be very comfortable bidding 3 (or 2, if I'm playing EHAA); it's a downside of the basic decision. There's always downsides.
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Posted 2012-July-18, 10:21

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-July-18, 02:51, said:

More of a problem is that pd with Ax is likely to bid 3N expecting the diamonds to run, if they don't you can be dialling a serious number. The percentage normally quoted as required for a vul game is for one that's going one off, if I held xxxxx, Ax, Ax, Axxx I'd bid 3N like a shot, how many tricks do you expect me to make if the diamonds don't behave ?


I think 3N is a pretty good game with this opposite that. Especially so, since opps' longest suit is hearts.

You're making 100% of the time you have Hx-Hx in diamonds (4 combos) + 2 combos of Hxx-H + 1 combo of HH-xx. We're near 50% already, and we haven't taken into account any of the doubleshots you have: e.g., they lead hearts and continue clubs or hearts later, or the spades block.
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Posted 2012-July-18, 11:01

3d seems to stand out on this hand it is poor in defense
and is worth around 6 tricks in dia (just right even vul)

while it is possible we will bury a heart game there are
2 problems asociated with biddng said game.


1. if all we have is a heart game the odds are very strong
the opps have a great game or sac in one or both black
suits.

2.A go slow approach 2d bid gives the opps a ton more leeway
to bid with a lot less risk.

If p does not have sufficient values to bid over 3d i will be more than
happy i bid 3d vs 2d because the opps have to take a much bigger
risk to bid.

even if we imagine the bidding going say (noint) 2d 2s 3d 3h are we
100% sure we want to raise to 4h? I hate burying a potential major
fit more than most but it is diffcult to envision how (from a tactical
viewpoint) how we can find a barely makeable heart game and not
give the opps too much room to find theirs.
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Posted 2012-July-18, 11:15

View Postwyman, on 2012-July-18, 10:21, said:

I think 3N is a pretty good game with this opposite that. Especially so, since opps' longest suit is hearts.

You're making 100% of the time you have Hx-Hx in diamonds (4 combos) + 2 combos of Hxx-H + 1 combo of HH-xx. We're near 50% already, and we haven't taken into account any of the doubleshots you have: e.g., they lead hearts and continue clubs or hearts later, or the spades block.

Well any time they don't just cash 5 spades first, and if they lead a club and you finesse the diamond when an honour drops, just how many are you going down if it loses ? Maybe I should have made the hand 5323 rather than 5224.
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