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#1 User is offline   sceptic 

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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:42


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 1    Pass  Pass  2
 Pass  2    Pass  4
 Pass  Pass  Pass  



ok this one, I was forced to bid

I would like to know what you think of this . also I went down 2 should I have seen the Play of stiff K clubs
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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:50

4 is really bad. Don't bid your hand twice.

To clarify - the balancing cue bid (the way I play) shows a strong 2 suiter; roughly 4-5 losers at minimum. Hey - check it out - thats what you got (nice bid :) ) !

Partner's 2 is pass or correct with zero interest in anything unless you have extras. You don't.

Lucky the K drops otherwise 3 is in jeopardy. Looks like the opponents gave you a greek gift - A, heart to the K, club through. Why'd you hook? You know that the K is offside on the auction.

To bid over 2 insults partner's intelligence.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:57

pclayton, on Nov 16 2004, 03:50 PM, said:

Partner's 2 is pass or correct with zero interest in anything unless you have extras. You don't.

So even the 3 I would bid would be bad, huh?

Probably would be. I recently did the same thing he did with something like:

AKxxx
x
Ax
AKxxx

And it still went down one. So it looks like I'm too aggressive with these.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 15:20

ease up on sceptic - he wasn't the one bidding 4, he just had to declare it.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 15:59

scoob, on Nov 16 2004, 01:20 PM, said:

ease up on sceptic - he wasn't the one bidding 4, he just had to declare it.

Ack - OK - its Sceptic pard's who lost his way here. Didn't mean to imply Sceptic did anything wrong - misread who was declaring.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 16:18

assuming 2H was michaels i dont agree with the strength requirements phil has imposed on the 2H bid. I think your hand could be weaker, so 3C would be a reasonable bid.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 16:29

Jlall, on Nov 16 2004, 02:18 PM, said:

assuming 2H was michaels i dont agree with the strength requirements phil has imposed on the 2H bid. I think your hand could be weaker, so 3C would be a reasonable bid.

I'm still playing what Lawrence suggested book on balancing; that a Q bid is an unspecified 2 suiter with a real good hand. I'm sure its not standard - although I dont what is either.

I dont think theres a lot of reason to play a weak or even intermediate Michaels in the balance chair.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 17:04

i see alot of merit to bidding michaels with AQTxx x xx AQ9xx
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Posted 2004-November-16, 17:11

Jlall, on Nov 16 2004, 03:04 PM, said:

i see alot of merit to bidding michaels with AQTxx x xx AQ9xx

Well.....its a 5 loser hand, but the hooks look to be off there. I think I'd be happy with 1 and see if pard can move.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 18:26

does anyone play hi/low anymore, with michael's and unt?
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Posted 2004-November-16, 18:45

Jlall, on Nov 16 2004, 05:18 PM, said:

assuming 2H was michaels i dont agree with the strength requirements phil has imposed on the 2H bid. I think your hand could be weaker, so 3C would be a reasonable bid.

I agree with Justin.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 19:31

I´m with Phil, there isn´t much need of reopening weak with a 2 suiter when you aren´t strong, since chances of opponents competing high have decreased drastically.

The 4 bid is of course off the way, he didn´t even know partner had fit.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 20:00

Nooooooo... don't move to golf. Golf is very boring. At least on TV, lol.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 21:26

michaels is a constructive bid, not a destructive bid. I dont care if the opps are going to compete, the fact that i can show 5-5 in 2 suits dramatically increases our chances of getting to the best contract, and slim games.
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Posted 2004-November-17, 05:04

I think 4 is too much, but pass is not enough as well. You have a VERY nice hand, I'd still bid 3 so partner can make a good decision now. He'll bid 3 ofcourse, and that's what we'll play (-1 or = probably).
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Posted 2004-November-17, 10:59

3 should make unless they lead a club, then you have to guess well, tho risk of ruff may make you get it right.
On another lead, you will be able to find out about the K so play to drop the K.
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