[jillybean]

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Playing "standard", no fancy agreements.

Would you have reversed into 2♠?
Having bid 2♣ what do you do now?

[Bbradley62]

jillybean, on 2012-June-19, 23:56, said:

Would you have reversed into 2♠?

Yes

jillybean, on 2012-June-19, 23:56, said:

Having bid 2♣ what do you do now?

5♣, but I hate it.

[Mbodell]

4♦ - splinter for ♣

If you play 4♦ is KC, would 4♣ be forcing? I'd try that.

But partner is very unlikely to play us for a hand this good. 2♠ reverse is ok, but obviously partner is not likely to have a spade fit given the 1nt bid (unless you play flannery or something). You might try 3♣ instead of 2♣. It is a stretch by HCP, but a void, a 3 loser hand, and two good T in your suits make it somewhat attractive. I mean give partner Jxx Jx xxx Jxxxx and game is looking quite good, your hand is really, really strong - assuming you have some fit somewhere.

[rmnka447]

Yes, I would reverse into 2 ♠ with an 18 HCP, 3 loser hand.

After partner raises to 3 ♣, a ♣ contract comes into view. Partner should have at least 4 ♣s and values.

I'd continue with a 3 ♠ bid. Pard might still want to play 3 NT if holding some fitting cards and ♦ stoppers.

If pard has the right cards for game or slam in ♣s, the ♠ bid hleps define where my values are and implies ♦ shortness.

[mgoetze]

jillybean, on 2012-June-19, 23:56, said:

Would you have reversed into 2♠?

Yes.

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Having bid 2♣ what do you do now?

3♠, no reason to pass over 3NT yet.

[Codo]

1. No, I have a three suiter and 2 ♠ takes away too much space. I would bury a club fit forever just to show my strength more accurately.

2. Partner did not bid 2 ♠, so he has a weaker raise. But even than slam is possible (jx, x,xxxxx,Kxxxx is enough...). I would try 4♦ if this is a splinter any other strong club raise if not.

[dkham]

I think we should have reversed into 2♠, don't want to play 2♣+3. We can still find a club fit after 2♠ - if partner bids [3 clubs] we raise or if he bids 2NT we bid 3♣.

In the actual auction I like the idea of a 4♦ splinter next.

[han]

I would definitely bid 3S now.

[Cyberyeti]

han, on 2012-June-20, 04:20, said:

I would definitely bid 3S now.

Yup, this is effectively a diamond splinter, whether you would ever bid a 3 card suit as a stop here is not clear but you're certainly showing values in spades and 0-1 diamonds and a big hand.

[daveharty]

EDIT: never mind

[helene_t]

han, on 2012-June-20, 04:20, said:

I would definitely bid 3S now.

What if partner bids 3NT then?

[han]

Then I would pass. Partner most likely has an 8-9 count with 4-5 clubs and values in diamonds, my interest in slam has ebbed away.

5C might still be better than 3NT, it's not completely clearcut.

[billw55]

I would not reverse into spades. If we had a fit there, partner would have bid 1♠ not 1NT.

I want to choose a bid that shows the diamond shortness, whether it be 3♠ or a splinter. This could be important, since 6♣ may be making if partner has no diamond values.

[jillybean]

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Apart from 1♥, I'm not proud of any of my bidding and lacking agreements, I blasted 3N.

[Phil]

billw55, on 2012-June-20, 06:31, said:

I would not reverse into spades. If we had a fit there, partner would have bid 1♠ not 1NT.

I want to choose a bid that shows the diamond shortness, whether it be 3♠ or a splinter. This could be important, since 6♣ may be making if partner has no diamond values.

The main point about bidding 2♠ is to start to show your hand pattern and strength to partner. I play Flannery, so I can still have a fit, but generally you will not. If partner bids 2N, 3♣ is perfect. Over 3♦, I can bid 3N, recognizing that we are probably too high. Over 3♣, a splinter looks right, and I like our chances for slam if partner can cuebid a major.

[MickyB]

I'd bid 1H, 2C, 3S. We won't have a spade fit so I want to make sure pard knows I have four clubs. I wouldn't be too sure what bids meant with a pick-up partner over 1H:1N, 2S anyway.

[dkham]

Very often when you reverse you're bidding a suit partner can't have four of; the point is to show your strengh and shape isn't it?

[Cyberyeti]

I think if you bid 3♠ partner will bid 3N and there you'll play. On the actual layout I think you can make 6♣ but you wouldn't want to be in it. 3N is a decent spot, although a spade lead from 5 to the A might not be very nice. 5♣ is probably best, but not a lot better than 3N if at all.

3N is a horrible bid, but you're getting there anyway.

[wank]

your partner was pathetic with 3♣

[mike777]

I would have reversed into 2s since if pard bids an art. weakish 2nt I can bid 3c now to show my hand.

In this case pard will often bid 3d over 2s which is nat and gf and I will bid 3nt.

I expect north will pass 3nt.