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Very serious problem

Poll: Very serious problem (35 member(s) have cast votes)

What now ?

  1. Pass (15 votes [42.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

  2. dbl (8 votes [22.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.86%

  3. 2NT (5 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  4. 3D (7 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

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#1 User is offline   bluecalm 

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Posted 2012-June-06, 10:45



2S was negative free bid.
What now ?

(double is t/o, 2NT is natural)
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Posted 2012-June-06, 11:05

Pass.

I have no reason to act at this time.
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Posted 2012-June-06, 11:11

I'd try 3D. X is good if partner is 5-4 in the minors, but if he's 5-3 I'd expect him to bid 3C (I'd expect a 2N bid by him to be natural). 3D is also more preemptive on LHO (If I double LHO can XX then raise, can cue, can pass then balance with 3H or bid a direct 3H etc), which is very good...if partner is 5/4 in the minors they have a fit anyways and are probably competing. I think this is a good problem, X/2N/3D are all pretty reasonable options.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 03:17

Bidding 3 is nice, but I would fear that my partner may overcompete nonvulnerable.
I double and hope for the best.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 05:15

X, I have 4 clubs, a decent hand for my pass and no diamond raise, this is what it shows by my methods.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 05:41

3.
J962 is not a suit I wish to hint by doubling. I'm about T short of 2NT. Pass could be a winner if they are about to play in a misfit, but usually it won't be.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 06:00

I´d double, partner shouldn´t expect good 5 clubs and doubleton diamond, with that hand I would bid 3 as a passed hand since with 6 I would open 3 at this vulnerability. Too complicated reasoning I know, but its a clsoe decision after all.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 07:36

I have control of the spades I have hearts stopped a dia honor
and clubs stopped. I am close to the top of my passed hand
the club Q would make me happier than the J but still this hand
seems the very definition of

2N

Passing here can be a complete disaster since we could easily
have nothing and pass. If we trust p has a reasonable 2d overcall
we may easily have play for 3n here by all means invite. 2n also
leaves room for 3c by p which would most likely be a better spot
than 3d.

Raising to 3d has some promise but it increases the difficulty of
reaching 3n and takes clubs almost hopelessly out of the picture.

x for TO here also makes the search for 3n problematic what
would/could you do if p bid 3c??
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Posted 2012-June-07, 08:13

I doubled. My pd wasn't happy about it.

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If we trust p has a reasonable 2d overcall


It might not be entirely reasonable at this colours but the question is how low can we go.

I didn't like 2N because of weak heart holding and I didn't want to lose clubs or possible (although unlikely) 3N by bidding 3D.
I kinda more like 3D now after reading the answers. It's preemptive and games are rare.

Thanks all for the answers.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 09:53

View PostFluffy, on 2012-June-07, 06:00, said:

I´d double, partner shouldn´t expect good 5 clubs and doubleton diamond, with that hand I would bid 3 as a passed hand since with 6 I would open 3 at this vulnerability. Too complicated reasoning I know, but its a clsoe decision after all.

I'm not a big fan of such reasonings.
What if I have 6+4?
What if my hand is otherwise unsuitable for a 3-opening, like with an outside A and an outside K? Or seven small with two aces?
The argument just doesn't hold imo. One could still define 3 now as promising something in diamonds but it will mean that there exists a bunch of hands with just clubs that can't bid the second time around either.
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Posted 2012-June-07, 10:19

3 for me. I would not Pass in practice because it would take me too long to decide to do so, and that will constrain partner. I like JLOGIC's arguments, and taking away the 3 cue from the opener is also useful.
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