[TWO4BRIDGE]

Phil, on 2012-June-07, 09:18, said:

3♣ looks great when partner has ♥Kxx, but I think at the table we'd all bid 3♠.

However, this is OK, since over 4♥, 4♠ is EKCB.

When ♥ are trump,
Meckwell uses 4♠! as kickback-RKB and 4NT! as Voidwood ( excluding ♠ ) .

[TWO4BRIDGE]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-June-05, 10:53, said:

1H ( 5 card Majors ) - 2C! ( 4+♣, 2/1 GF for me )
3C ( 4+♣ ) - 3H ( 3 cards ♥ , now showing a double-fit )
3S ( 1st or 2nd Rnd Ctrl, could be shortness; says nothing about "Seriousness" ) - 3NT! ( surely NOT "to play" )
??
.. If 4C, this may be a "waiting" bid; so, you then bid 4H denying a ♦-Ctrl
.. If 4D cue, then Responder can bid 4S! ( 6 Ace kickback-RKC for ♥ & ♣: this is for Aguahombre )
...... ( 4D should be a Ctrl and NOT "last train" since a 4C bid was available )

Now that we have the partner's hand ( showing a ♠-void ) in post # 30 :
[ 6 Ace-RKC auction dedicated to aguahombre for double-fit auctions;
4S! would be 6 Ace Kickback ( ♥ & ♣ ) whereas 4NT = 6 Ace-Voidwood ( ♥ & ♣ , excluding ♠ ) ] :

1H ( 5 card Majors ) - 2C! ( 4+♣, 2/1 GF for me )
3C ( 4+♣ ) - 3H ( 3 cards, now showing a double-fit )
4NT ( 6Ace-Voidwood, excluding ♠ ) - 5H ( 2 - ♥Q ); ♣Q not includied in key card ask but in the K-ask )
5NT ( K-ask, ♣Q-ask, excluding ♠K ) - 6H ( no ♦K or ♣Q )
7C

[CSGibson]

For all of you who are making crap up and ignoring the "no agreements" and "common sense" portion: No one was asking how to bid this in your pet system.

[Fluffy]

I agree with you Chris, but I would like to know what common sense makes partner fail to cuebid his void when its the cheapest cuebid avaible. Its not a critic, is that I don't really understand the logic behind it.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Fluffy, on 2012-June-08, 16:44, said:

I agree with you Chris, but I would like to know what common sense makes partner fail to cuebid his void when its the cheapest cuebid avaible. Its not a critic, is that I don't really understand the logic behind it.

His partner did make a 3S cuebid after the 3H suit agreement... showing either a Ctrl or shortness. [ Full hand post # 30 ] .

[CSGibson]

Fluffy, on 2012-June-08, 16:44, said:

I agree with you Chris, but I would like to know what common sense makes partner fail to cuebid his void when its the cheapest cuebid avaible. Its not a critic, is that I don't really understand the logic behind it.

I imagine it was because he already cued 3♠. I'm not arguing that 4♠ would be wrong - I can easily see how that makes the auction time out much better. I'm just saying that it does make some sense to me why he chose to show a different feature of his hand. But, for the record (someone is making a record of this, right?), I didn't really get into partner's head too much on the post-mortem of this auction, I was more concerned with my own actions and making adequate agreements for cue bidding auctions.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

CSGibson, on 2012-June-08, 12:04, said:

For all of you who are making crap up and ignoring the "no agreements" and "common sense" portion: No one was asking how to bid this in your pet system.

This reminds me of one of my partners saying that he and ( another ) partner cuebid to their hearts content without RKC and reached slam only to find out they had all the controls except the top 2 trumps.