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Anything to add? BBF vs. JEC #11
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Posted 2012-May-28, 06:58
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Posted 2012-May-28, 08:57
Pass pass passs pass pass!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 09:07
Pass pass passs pass pass ... echoing Han.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 09:26
Should I be glad 2S wasn't available over 1C? Will admit that would have been my choice, but now pass seems prudent.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 09:42
What makes you want to bid overcall 2S? Is it the spots, the distribution or the vulnerability?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 10:26
han, on 2012-May-28, 09:42, said:
What makes you want to bid overcall 2S? Is it the spots, the distribution or the vulnerability?
The thought that it looks like a weak two-bid. The only thing I don't like about it is the Jack of clubs.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 10:58
aguahombre, on 2012-May-28, 09:26, said:
Should I be glad 2S wasn't available over 1C? Will admit that would have been my choice, but now pass seems prudent.
Indeed I would have considered 2♠ had we been playing WJOs, but we agreed IJOs when vulnerable, and this hand isn't good enough for that IMHO.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 11:44
mgoetze, on 2012-May-28, 10:58, said:
Indeed I would have considered 2♠ had we been playing WJOs, but we agreed IJOs when vulnerable, and this hand isn't good enough for that IMHO.
Bidding within your agreements is a good thing. I hope you passed, the second time ---regardless of result.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 12:19
If you are considering 2♠ here, you should have considered it on the last round.
Edit: OK I see youre playing IJOs. I'd still pass now.
Edit: OK I see youre playing IJOs. I'd still pass now.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 14:50
This is the type of hand I hold when that little gremlin in my head is saying "bid, bid, bid!!" while the conservative, sensible part of me is becoming very uncomfortable. The gremlin still wins at times.
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Posted 2012-May-28, 15:17
I think this is a textbook 2♠ over 1♣ since you can not bid again. When you dont do it, you end up wondering what to do now . You have to pass it.
I dont understand the complaints about the shape, the spots the vulnerability. We are not bidding 4♠ or slam. We are bidding 2♠ for god's sake. We are vulnerable but so they are. Definition of WJ overcall is 6 card suit and 6-11 hcp. We dont have spots but any 6 card suit headed by AQ is very well qualified for this bid. It tells the number of spades and our strength very well as oppose to ambigious 1♠ bid which can be made by a wide variety of hands. I also never saw a single source that says you need to have a shortness when you make a preemptive overcall. Regardless, none of the above has the advantage of putting 2♠ in front of the LHO in the long run imo.
Starting 1♠ now we want to bid 2♠ if only pd knows that we are stretching our hand and that we dont have extras. We probably have an 8 card fit and it is usually right to play it at 2 level as oppose to defending 1 NT or their 2 level partscore.
Edit: Sorry i saw weak 2 ♠ was not available.
I dont understand the complaints about the shape, the spots the vulnerability. We are not bidding 4♠ or slam. We are bidding 2♠ for god's sake. We are vulnerable but so they are. Definition of WJ overcall is 6 card suit and 6-11 hcp. We dont have spots but any 6 card suit headed by AQ is very well qualified for this bid. It tells the number of spades and our strength very well as oppose to ambigious 1♠ bid which can be made by a wide variety of hands. I also never saw a single source that says you need to have a shortness when you make a preemptive overcall. Regardless, none of the above has the advantage of putting 2♠ in front of the LHO in the long run imo.
Starting 1♠ now we want to bid 2♠ if only pd knows that we are stretching our hand and that we dont have extras. We probably have an 8 card fit and it is usually right to play it at 2 level as oppose to defending 1 NT or their 2 level partscore.
Edit: Sorry i saw weak 2 ♠ was not available.
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