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your bid?

[Fluffy]

stopper in LHO's suit and possitive bids NT, this 12 count looks like a downgrade to 2NT. But this hand is so rare that there is a point in just gambling for 1NT/3NT. Either diamonds run or don't run.

[rmnka447]

Gee, there are a lot of points in this deck. Partner makes a takeout double, this hand has 12, and RHO finds a 1 ♠ response.

Between opener's hand and this hand there are a minimum of 10 ♦s. Chances are that 2 entries will be required to set them up.

Also, I'm a bit worried about ♣s. Partner shouldn't have more than 5. If opener has a minor 2 suiter, my diamonds are dead. Or, if, more likely, opener is opening better minor, ♣s will set behind partner's hand.

So I'll be a little conservative and bid only 2 NT with this hand.

[32519]

rmnka447, on 2012-May-19, 10:17, said:

Gee, there are a lot of points in this deck. Partner makes a takeout double, this hand has 12, and RHO finds a 1 ♠ response.

Between opener's hand and this hand there are a minimum of 10 ♦s. Chances are that 2 entries will be required to set them up.

Also, I'm a bit worried about ♣s. Partner shouldn't have more than 5. If opener has a minor 2 suiter, my diamonds are dead. Or, if, more likely, opener is opening better minor, ♣s will set behind partner's hand.

So I'll be a little conservative and bid only 2 NT with this hand.

You may have nailed it with this analysis of yours. The chances are now increasing that either the takeout double or the 1♠ bid by South were made with insufficient values. So who do you think screwed up with their bid?

The 1♠ bid from South makes me think partner is the one who screwed up here. West needs to proceed with caution now. Getting overboard happens easily in a sequence like this.

[Statto]

32519, on 2012-May-19, 10:28, said:

So who do you think screwed up with their bid?

It isn't necessary that anyone has: HCP round the table could be 11, 11, 5, with one floating somewhere. If anyone has deviated, I think it's most likely to be South, as a 1♠ 'baby-psyche' here is not unheard of. Still, I will proceed with caution with 1NT, as it may not be possible to set up the ♦, and partner may have difficulty making many ♣. It isn't out of the question that we are better off in ♥, but I don't like to bid a 3-card suit when partner might only have 3 of them.

[FrancesHinden]

Unless 1S is alerted as non-forcing, I would pass. I am more likely to want to play in diamonds than in NT, and passing first allows me to bid diamonds naturally later.

[JLOGIC]

FrancesHinden, on 2012-May-20, 04:23, said:

Unless 1S is alerted as non-forcing, I would pass. I am more likely to want to play in diamonds than in NT, and passing first allows me to bid diamonds naturally later.

This was my inclination, but we might not be able to show an invitational hand if we choose this route. That is probably fine though, our hand is really not that good with diamonds bid on our left and often we will be able to invite anyways if it comes back to us at 1N or 2C.

Playing this hand in a NT partial instead of a diamond partial seems really silly.

[JLOGIC]

What is 3D by us btw? Natural and forcing? Not that I'd want to force.

[FrancesHinden]

I play 3D as showing a game forcing major single-suiter. But I wouldn't say that is in any sense standard.

[gnasher]

Somewhere I read that 3♦ is a stop-ask, based on long clubs. I prefer Frances's treatment though..

[plum_tree]

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[daveharty]

Whatever happened to overcalling your suit? What would possess someone to double with the East hand rather than bid clubs? I guess there are large numbers of people who haven't yet learned that you don't automatically double an opening bid just because you have an opening bid yourself. Well, add this one to the "Cautionary Tales" file.

[Antrax]

To be fair, though, after (1♦)-2♣-(p), wouldn't you bid 3NT with the W hand?

[aguahombre]

Antrax, on 2012-May-22, 21:48, said:

To be fair, though, after (1♦)-2♣-(p), wouldn't you bid 3NT with the W hand?

no

[the hog]

plum_tree, on 2012-May-22, 00:40, said:

http://www.bridgebas...CC5%7Cmc%7C7%7C

This is not a x. This is a 2C bid.No, I would not bid 3NT with this hand after 2C.