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Have you done enough already? JEC #10, hand 10

#1 User is offline   Mbodell 

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Posted 2012-May-19, 15:38

Here was another choice for our E opp:



P or keep bidding?
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Posted 2012-May-19, 15:40

Abstain, I wouldn't bid 1.
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Posted 2012-May-19, 19:00

View Postmgoetze, on 2012-May-19, 15:40, said:

Abstain, I wouldn't bid 1.




ditto
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Posted 2012-May-20, 01:20

Interestingly enough, at both tables the auction was identical to this point (at least the calls were the same, not sure if the inferences or meanings of 1 and 1 are necessarily identical).
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Posted 2012-May-20, 01:41

so why 1h?
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Posted 2012-May-20, 09:54

1h perfectly reasonable wasting space with a reverse makes little
sense save it for hands where it is needed. P heard our bidding
and while we indeed have 8 probable tricks we woud need 4 from p
for slam. Surely if p had something like 4 probable tricks they
could have found a bid other than a simple 3n. If p has no spade
stop after this bidding find another p.

pass
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Posted 2012-May-21, 03:38

I would always bid 1 Heart, even if walsh was a part of my system, I need all the space aI have and I want my jumpshifts to be of full value, not just of full shape.

Now I pass.
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Roland


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Posted 2012-May-21, 14:21

I would bid 1 also. :) A jump to 2 is not a reverse, it is a jump shift -- or if you prefer, a jump reverse. Either way, for me, a jump to 2 would be game forcing whereas, a simple reverse is only forcing, not game forcing. As the 1 bidder, bidding again over 3NT is a close decision, with two ways to go. 4's to show really strong clubs, or 4NT to invite six. Of course, pass is (at least in my opinion) a reasonable option over 3NT as well.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 14:41

btw it seemed opener was playing walsh style but not sure responder was.


1c=1s
2h=?

sets up a different dynamic.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 16:03

View Postmike777, on 2012-May-21, 14:41, said:

btw it seemed opener was playing walsh style but not sure responder was.

Why do you say that? Responder bids up the line with an invitational or better hand.

Do some Walsh players only do this with game forcing hands?

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Posted 2012-May-21, 17:42

ya only gf and never up the line with only 4-4....

so 1d then 1s would be nat, gf with 5-4

but sure other versions of walsh
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Posted 2012-May-23, 03:27

I don't know why you would bid only 1H here. It seems useful to show a GF hand when you hold one.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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