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#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2012-May-09, 13:52

Partner transfers to S and then bids 2H. This shows a hand with 5cS and 4cH and constructive. Your 1S was unlimited.
Partner could also have bid 2 artificial: 5cS and invite+. His 2H is almost and invite.
You have points in H and S, but only doubleton H and 3 small Diamonds. Is this enough to bid more then 2S?
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Posted 2012-May-09, 16:31

a perfect minimum such as KJ9xx Axxx xx xx doesn't make game on a tump lead for lack of comunication, we can improve that minimum with club singleton but that might be too much. I think we should stay low this time.

If 2 could be a 5-5 8 count then perhaps we have more to worry about, but partner doesn't have to pass 2 with that.
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Posted 2012-May-09, 16:46

But if partner has kxxxx-aqxx-xx-xx, you probably do have 10 tricks. Seems like time to try back 3s. Pard can pass that.
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Posted 2012-May-10, 08:55

IMP's

Missed the vulnerable game.
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Posted 2012-May-10, 15:28

View Postkgr, on 2012-May-09, 13:52, said:

Partner transfers to S and then bids 2H. This shows a hand with 5cS and 4cH and constructive. Your 1S was unlimited.
Partner could also have bid 2 artificial: 5cS and invite+. His 2H is almost and invite.
You have points in H and S, but only doubleton H and 3 small Diamonds. Is this enough to bid more then 2S?




3s now.....Ihope that is inv.
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Posted 2012-May-10, 18:37

no guarantees but it is difficult for your hand
to be much better than it is. Only thing that
would make it better is a heart fit also and I would
just plain bid 4h with that hand. This one is way better
that a normal minimum and deserves a 3s bid at worst.
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Posted 2012-May-11, 02:12

This ought to be a great hand for your system - you found the spade fit at the one level and this has improved the North hand enormously. If 2 is limited, which seems to be implied in your post, then North could perhaps continue with 3 over 2 to show a really good invite with club shortage. If that is not available then South has to make a stronger second rebid than 2 to show a hand just short of a game accept. You have so much space here, you simply have to define which player should be showing their extras. I would put this missed game primarily down to the players not fully understanding how the system being used works.
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Posted 2012-May-11, 09:05

View PostZelandakh, on 2012-May-11, 02:12, said:

I would put this missed game primarily down to the players not fully understanding how the system being used works.
You are more right on this then you can ever think :)
We weren't sure what bid other then 2S by S, or bids after 2S by N would be. It is not defined in the system. (and in some bidding sequences were it is defined we play these 3-level bids as slam interest.)
...and what is worse ;) :
We both forgot that we changed our agreements:
2H showed: 4c and 6+ and max limit strength.
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Posted 2012-May-13, 04:14

View Postkgr, on 2012-May-11, 09:05, said:

We both forgot that we changed our agreements:
2H showed: 4c and 6+ and max limit strength.

Haha! Crazy! The first step is to get a decent system in place, only then can you really work out the boundaries on judgement calls. One of the things I (and my previous partner) found when switching from an Acol-based natural system to a relay-based strong club system was how different the judgement calls became. We had to get used to a completely different set of boundary conditions. That is not quite so extreme when switching from natural to transfers but nonetheless it is very important to have follow-ups defined when the resulting auctions differ significantly from those you are used to playing natural. Get the ranges in the later auction right here and I think you will find these kinds of hands trivial.
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Posted 2012-May-13, 18:14

View PostFluffy, on 2012-May-09, 16:31, said:

a perfect minimum such as KJ9xx Axxx xx xx doesn't make game on a tump lead for lack of comunication, we can improve that minimum with club singleton but that might be too much.

It wasn´t that much :)
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Posted 2012-May-14, 23:11

You've got good cards to hold opposite partner's known suits. You also hold an outside A.

Vulnerable, at IMPs, it pays to bid any game that makes more than about 30% of the time. So this is a hand to make a try on.
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