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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2012-June-05, 15:00

1:1N* forcing
2:2

What has partner got?
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Posted 2012-June-05, 15:05

I would play this as just shy of GF with 2 hearts, as opposed to 3H, which would be "I have enough to raise, but you should only accept heavy." Sort of the same as though partner had rebid 2m, where this is a strong raise in m.
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Posted 2012-June-05, 15:09

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-05, 15:00, said:

1:1N* forcing
2:2

What has partner got?


I would tend to assume both minors, but there's a nice suggestion at DoubleSqueeze to also use it to distinguish 2 & 3 card heart raises.
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Posted 2012-June-05, 15:12

View Postwyman, on 2012-June-05, 15:05, said:

I would play this as just shy of GF with 2 hearts, as opposed to 3H, which would be "I have enough to raise, but you should only accept heavy." Sort of the same as though partner had rebid 2m, where this is a strong raise in m.
That's the same as how GIB plays it, I believe.
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Posted 2012-June-05, 15:13

http://cuebiddingatb...two-spades.html
http://cuebiddingatb...s-extended.html

http://cuebiddingatb...impossible.html

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Posted 2012-June-05, 16:36

View Postjillybean, on 2012-June-05, 15:00, said:

1:1N* forcing
2:2

What has partner got?


You can have different agreements, but standard in my neck of the woods is that it is weak with both minors.
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Posted 2012-June-05, 16:47

Both minors .
Ron .. ( the_hog ) posted the same in 2005 on the old MSN Message Board ...." a souped up version of the Impossible Spade " as he called it .
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Posted 2012-June-05, 17:25

Minors was always how I played this one.

Clee had some idea for this auction that was similar to 'minors' iirc but I don't remember what that was.
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Posted 2012-June-05, 17:36

yes, it seems you can just bid 3h to invite
2s version of impossible 2s to show a weakish hand with long minor, forces 2nt by you.
direct 3c or 3d would be invite over 2h.

This is something alot of Bergen players play since you cant bid 1M=3m to show a minor suit.
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Posted 2012-June-05, 17:44

If 3/ would be invitational then you can use 2 as a signoff in either minor. This is how I have always played because I use the immediate 3/ response for something else.

Otherwise I think both minors and invitational strength is more useful than a second way to invite in hearts, i.e. something like xx x KQxxx AJxxx.
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