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Jacoby Open Swiss I What do you need to bid/double?

Poll: Jacoby Open Swiss I (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What diamond holding would make you double

  1. Kx (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  2. KJ (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Ax (7 votes [24.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.14%

  4. AJ (5 votes [17.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.24%

  5. AK (12 votes [41.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.38%

  6. I would never double (4 votes [13.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.79%

  7. Other (worse than Kx) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   paulg 

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Posted 2012-March-27, 10:09


Unfavourable vulnerability against good opponents playing 2/1. What is the minimum diamond holding that you would double four spades with?
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Posted 2012-March-27, 10:14

This is an awkward shape. I need a lot in diamonds to compete - I'm thinking AQ.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 10:55

I don't think I could afford to pass if I held Ax of diamonds. Too much chance of missing a game or a useful penalty.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 11:17

I think I'd do it with A10, but not A2. I'm not sure where the exact dividing line is. Anyway, I voted for Ax.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 12:04

My dividing line is probably AJ. I need to be able to tolerate a 5D bid from partner, which is usually 6, but he's expecting help over here, and 2 honors would make me feel better. As much as I don't want to miss a game or penalty, I don't want to go for 1100 either.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 12:28

Probably AK for me, guess I'm a wimp.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 15:14

View PostJLOGIC, on 2012-March-27, 12:28, said:

Probably AK for me, guess I'm a wimp.


Its likely the defense will start spade, spade tapping the lower diamond off dummy. So AQ isn't much different from AK if we play in diamonds (i voted AJ).

Of course AK is better if we play in a round suit, but if that happens we are happy we took a call anyway.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 17:19

I am glad Phil thinks alike me (we are trying to be pd) I also would not consider doubling with less than AQ. Actually my first thought was AK too, I guess Justin is turning all of us into a wimp here in these forums !! :P
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Posted 2012-March-27, 18:07

View Postxcurt, on 2012-March-27, 15:14, said:

Its likely the defense will start spade, spade tapping the lower diamond off dummy. So AQ isn't much different from AK if we play in diamonds (i voted AJ).

Of course AK is better if we play in a round suit, but if that happens we are happy we took a call anyway.


I like AK because I expect to defend 4S X a fair amount of the time! AK>AQ for defense obv. But if partner bids 5D there is a non negligible chance he has a stiff spade. Anyways, my real reason was I'd like to have an extra 3/4ths of a trick for my double in case we defend...but as you say AQ is def better for a round suit also.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 18:10

Ax just seems nuts to me...we are red/white so partner will probably pass pretty often, and if he's bidding a lot it's not like our hand is good. We will often land in the wrong suit even if he bids. And we have seen him pass over 1S with likely a doubleton spade, it's not like I'm scared that we're getting stolen from when my hand is pretty bad.
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Posted 2012-March-27, 21:06

AK.

I dont like doubling with AQ here. Partner just need too much for making 5 something (he passed 1S..), fortunatly I expect partner to pass very often so is getting 100 rather than 50 a compensation good enough for telling declarer where the pts are ? are we really expecting a fair share of -300 ?

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Posted 2012-March-28, 02:00

I voted AK, glad I'm not the only one. I can see myself doubling with AQ.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 09:39

I vacillated between never and AK, and opted for the latter and was pleased to see that I had company. Partner will often pass and, when he doesn't, he'll be bidding diamonds way too often for my peace of mind. He won't expect a 2 suiter, since we had 4N for most of those, so he will be disappointed at our diamond length if he pulls.

But I think that with AK, maybe he will survive and, more importantly, we rate to have them booked in our own hand, so the double won't cost a lot if they make, and they rate to go down.
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