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Posted 2012-April-17, 12:02

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MMM is no-one going to respond to the preceeding 3 postings ???? :blink:
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Posted 2012-April-17, 12:30

View PostOof Arted, on 2012-April-17, 12:02, said:

MMM is no-one going to respond to the preceeding 3 postings ???? :blink:

That would be unfair, after all noone responded to my post yet either!
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Posted 2012-April-18, 09:21

We're going to be fixing the section size issue soon, but don't know precisely when.

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Posted 2012-April-18, 10:07

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We're going to be fixing the section size issue soon, but don't know precisely when.


This is really good news.

I'm not sure that I can suggest a tournament size at which a break into sections is a good thing.
Presumably, the original figure of 50 tables was OK and might well remain so.
It seems to me that anything less than 30 tables destroys the whole principle of a swiss tourney.

Thanks for looking at this again :rolleyes:

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Posted 2012-April-18, 11:18

View Postjandrew, on 2012-April-18, 10:07, said:

It seems to me that anything less than 30 tables destroys the whole principle of a swiss tourney.

We ran a Swiss Pair game at our club last week, and we only had 9 tables. Was it a waste of time because we have such a small club?

We made the section sizes smaller so that we could have more winners and give out more masterpoints in the new BBO speedball swiss tourneys (although so far we haven't had large enough games to get multiple sections). So what we may end up doing in the fix is have small sections for pay tourneys, but return to big sections for free tourneys.

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Posted 2012-April-18, 11:51

More Monster Points :)
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Posted 2012-April-18, 12:34

View Postbarmar, on 2012-April-18, 11:18, said:

We ran a Swiss Pair game at our club last week, and we only had 9 tables. Was it a waste of time because we have such a small club?

We made the section sizes smaller so that we could have more winners and give out more masterpoints in the new BBO speedball swiss tourneys (although so far we haven't had large enough games to get multiple sections). So what we may end up doing in the fix is have small sections for pay tourneys, but return to big sections for free tourneys.


No. I don't think that it a waste of time running a Swiss Pairs game with only 9 tables. That is all the tables and every pair is in contention with every other

My suggestion is that, had there been 16 tables, your members would have thought the splitting up into two sections of 8 tables rather missed the excitment and the point of a Swiss match.

Perhaps I am wrong in the case of your club, but I have a fair amount of pained feed-back in our tourney which is a weekly affair and varies around the 16 table mark. We accumulate results over a 13 week period and changes from 1 to 2 sections then back again makes it difficult to keep the accumulated score or for payers to estimate how they are doing.

An alternative might be to give the host the choice to create small sections with the default being some arbitrary high figure (like the original 50). (I ask for that to be the default because we continue to use the Windows software to create tourneys restricted to a list on our computer which procedure is not available on the "flash" programme. As we understand that you do not intend to add features to the Windows software, the large section limit would have to be the default for it to work in the Windows software.)

A choice for hosts using the "flash" software might give everyone the best of all worlds.

That will depend on BBO's priorities. This change has, however, been a big problem to us and I thank you for looking at it again with a view to giving us back our single section Swiss tourney.

jandrew (webmaster and scorer for the Acol PLayers' Club)
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Posted 2012-April-18, 12:57

View Postbarmar, on 2012-April-18, 11:18, said:

We ran a Swiss Pair game at our club last week, and we only had 9 tables. Was it a waste of time because we have such a small club?

We made the section sizes smaller so that we could have more winners and give out more masterpoints in the new BBO speedball swiss tourneys (although so far we haven't had large enough games to get multiple sections). So what we may end up doing in the fix is have small sections for pay tourneys, but return to big sections for free tourneys.



:) As Jandrews says No if your club has only 9 tables (or 'n' Tables) then it is no problem especially as you are pitted against ALL the other pairs not only Portion of them

But thankyou for the re-think it is much appreciated :D
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Posted 2012-April-18, 12:59

Wow just heard the News Thankyou for this
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Posted 2012-April-18, 13:05

View Postbarmar, on 2012-April-18, 11:18, said:

So what we may end up doing in the fix is have small sections for pay tourneys, but return to big sections for free tourneys.

Or you could just...

View Postmgoetze, on 2012-March-25, 08:08, said:

I would wish for much more control of the tournament movements in general. BBO just automagically doing some random movement or other doesn't work well for me.

...make it customizable?

Have I mentioned I'd really really really love to have a Howell movement?
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Posted 2012-April-18, 13:44

We'll probably make it user-configurable eventually. But that will require a new version of the client, and operationally it's easier for us to make server-only changes. Also, the customization will only be available in the web client, since we're not making any changes to the download client. So we'll have to have reasonable defaults on the server for the benefit of people who use the download client.

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Posted 2012-April-18, 16:13

View Postbarmar, on 2012-April-18, 13:44, said:

We'll probably make it user-configurable eventually. But that will require a new version of the client, and operationally it's easier for us to make server-only changes. Also, the customization will only be available in the web client, since we're not making any changes to the download client. So we'll have to have reasonable defaults on the server for the benefit of people who use the download client.


That sounds good to me.

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Posted 2012-May-28, 15:01

I played in a Swiss Pairs on Sunday.
There were 16 tables and it was NOT split into Sections.
So it looks like changes have been made - and that is a welcome improvement.
Thanks, well done.

Out of interest - at what number of tables does a clocked swiss pairs tourney get split into sections?

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Posted 2012-May-28, 16:48

Yes, this change was part of the last upgrade, about a week ago.

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Posted 2012-May-29, 18:57

I believe it went back to 50 tables max per section.

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Posted 2012-May-30, 01:56

That seems to me to be excellent :D

Thanks all, great.

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Posted 2012-May-30, 02:36

Fantastic I ran the Sunday Swiss thankyou for putting it back to a large number of tables :)
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