[S2000magic]

FM75, on 2012-February-22, 23:08, said:

Let's try a little arithmetic. With 1 club opening, op's partner could have responded 1x, or 2 clubs with 6 points. You have zero. So your partner and opener have at least 35. Opener likely has 16-19, leaving your partner with 16-24.

If opponents are playing a 15-17 NT, I would expect opener to have 18-19 HCP, not 16-19.

[choccy]

Anyone favour leaving the double in?

[jillybean]

No, 2♦,2♥ seems automatic

[S2000magic]

I'd prefer 2♥ to 2♦, but not by much.

As for passing, remember that partner doubled 1♣ for takeout, ostensibly showing shortness in clubs and length in diamonds, hearts, and spades. I would expect that he still has short clubs and length in diamonds, hearts, and spades.

[ArtK78]

I would bid 2♥, but I cannot say that I feel too strongly about it.

As for game chances, admittedly I have a very powerful hand. However, if partner has a hand that can produce play for game opposite my hand, I suspect he will be able to move over 2♥.

[Fluffy]

if my partner is whereagles or such I would bid 2♦ to be able to redouble SOS next

[FM75]

S2000magic, on 2012-February-23, 07:57, said:

If opponents are playing a 15-17 NT, I would expect opener to have 18-19 HCP, not 16-19.

I went down to 16 based on possible non-NT shape.

[gwnn]

so what happened Jules?

[FrancesHinden]

S2000magic, on 2012-February-23, 09:57, said:

I'd prefer 2♥ to 2♦, but not by much.

As for passing, remember that partner doubled 1♣ for takeout, ostensibly showing shortness in clubs and length in diamonds, hearts, and spades. I would expect that he still has short clubs and length in diamonds, hearts, and spades.

Partner almost certainly has a strong balanced hand too good to bid 2NT on the first round (which is usually about 19-21). He doesn't have a 5-card suit or he would have bid it by now. He doesn't have great clubs or he would have bid 2NT over 2C, so I think he has major suit length and is looking for us to bid a suit.

I'll go with the 2H bidders, although I sympathise with 3C.

[mich-b]

FrancesHinden, on 2012-February-26, 06:13, said:

Partner almost certainly has a strong balanced hand too good to bid 2NT on the first round (which is usually about 19-21). He doesn't have great clubs or he would have bid 2NT over 2C.

Maybe he does have great clubs , and expects a juicy penalty from 2♣ doubled? Surely he can't get that penalty by bidding 2NT...
Isn't it common (at least without specific agreement to the contrary) that all doubles after opps run from a penalty double (of 1NT or otherwise) are for penalties?

[jules101]

I considered bidding 3♣ to get pard to pick a suit, but wondered if that'd be too high, so decided to bid 2♥ - my best suit - and struggled home (should be one off). Missed a 4-4 ♠ fit.

Pard South knew West couldn't have 18-19 given she has a 23 count! She didn't bid on over 2♥ because can envisage West has every missing honour card sitting over hers.

Deep finesse says:

South can make 3♠, 2♥ and 1N;
North can make 2♠, and 1♥; and
East/West can make 1♣ or 1♦.

Our west team mate opened 15-17 1N (so west at our table was telling fibs) and got doubled. Minus 3 was -800!

Nightmare hand!

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I hear some South's doubled 1♣ and rebid 2N over their partner's bid cos West didn't bid again at most tables. This should be one off, but a few made it. Difficult for West to get any useful signals from East!

[jules101]

If they open 1N then our 1st X is for pens, 2nd X is take out (which pard can convert), 3rd and all subsequent X are penalties.

I did wonder whether that meant 3rd X here was penalties here, but we don't have that agreement in this different and rather unusual sequence. I suspect few others would have discussed it either.

Given that:

• pard X for take out of clubs;
  
• pard hadn't rebid 2N (difficult over 1N rebid!); and
  
• West had rebid their clubs (and I have only one), so could have say AKQxxx♣, so I decided not to chance a pass!