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HELP!!!!! Do you have an agreement here?

#21 User is offline   S2000magic 

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Posted 2012-February-23, 07:57

View PostFM75, on 2012-February-22, 23:08, said:

Let's try a little arithmetic. With 1 club opening, op's partner could have responded 1x, or 2 clubs with 6 points. You have zero. So your partner and opener have at least 35. Opener likely has 16-19, leaving your partner with 16-24.

If opponents are playing a 15-17 NT, I would expect opener to have 18-19 HCP, not 16-19.
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Posted 2012-February-23, 09:19

Anyone favour leaving the double in?
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Posted 2012-February-23, 09:27

No, 2,2 seems automatic
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Posted 2012-February-23, 09:57

I'd prefer 2 to 2, but not by much.

As for passing, remember that partner doubled 1 for takeout, ostensibly showing shortness in clubs and length in diamonds, hearts, and spades. I would expect that he still has short clubs and length in diamonds, hearts, and spades.
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Posted 2012-February-23, 11:15

I would bid 2, but I cannot say that I feel too strongly about it.

As for game chances, admittedly I have a very powerful hand. :) However, if partner has a hand that can produce play for game opposite my hand, I suspect he will be able to move over 2.
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Posted 2012-February-23, 14:50

if my partner is whereagles or such I would bid 2 to be able to redouble SOS next
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Posted 2012-February-23, 19:29

View PostS2000magic, on 2012-February-23, 07:57, said:

If opponents are playing a 15-17 NT, I would expect opener to have 18-19 HCP, not 16-19.

I went down to 16 based on possible non-NT shape.
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Posted 2012-February-26, 06:07

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Posted 2012-February-26, 06:13

View PostS2000magic, on 2012-February-23, 09:57, said:

I'd prefer 2 to 2, but not by much.

As for passing, remember that partner doubled 1 for takeout, ostensibly showing shortness in clubs and length in diamonds, hearts, and spades. I would expect that he still has short clubs and length in diamonds, hearts, and spades.


Partner almost certainly has a strong balanced hand too good to bid 2NT on the first round (which is usually about 19-21). He doesn't have a 5-card suit or he would have bid it by now. He doesn't have great clubs or he would have bid 2NT over 2C, so I think he has major suit length and is looking for us to bid a suit.

I'll go with the 2H bidders, although I sympathise with 3C.
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Posted 2012-February-26, 06:19

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2012-February-26, 06:13, said:

Partner almost certainly has a strong balanced hand too good to bid 2NT on the first round (which is usually about 19-21). He doesn't have great clubs or he would have bid 2NT over 2C.


Maybe he does have great clubs , and expects a juicy penalty from 2 doubled? Surely he can't get that penalty by bidding 2NT...
Isn't it common (at least without specific agreement to the contrary) that all doubles after opps run from a penalty double (of 1NT or otherwise) are for penalties?
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Posted 2012-February-26, 06:31

I considered bidding 3 to get pard to pick a suit, but wondered if that'd be too high, so decided to bid 2 - my best suit - and struggled home (should be one off). Missed a 4-4 fit.

Pard South knew West couldn't have 18-19 given she has a 23 count! She didn't bid on over 2 because can envisage West has every missing honour card sitting over hers.

Deep finesse says:

South can make 3, 2 and 1N;
North can make 2, and 1; and
East/West can make 1 or 1.

Our west team mate opened 15-17 1N (so west at our table was telling fibs) and got doubled. Minus 3 was -800!

Nightmare hand!



I hear some South's doubled 1 and rebid 2N over their partner's bid cos West didn't bid again at most tables. This should be one off, but a few made it. Difficult for West to get any useful signals from East!
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Posted 2012-February-26, 06:41

If they open 1N then our 1st X is for pens, 2nd X is take out (which pard can convert), 3rd and all subsequent X are penalties.

I did wonder whether that meant 3rd X here was penalties here, but we don't have that agreement in this different and rather unusual sequence. I suspect few others would have discussed it either.

Given that:
  • pard X for take out of clubs;
  • pard hadn't rebid 2N (difficult over 1N rebid!); and
  • West had rebid their clubs (and I have only one), so could have say AKQxxx, so I decided not to chance a pass!

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