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#1 User is offline   jules101 

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Posted 2012-February-22, 18:37




What now? :(
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Posted 2012-February-22, 18:45

2. If in doubt bid the cheapest suit. We obviously can't sit the double with this hand, well I don't think so.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 19:02

2. Partner bid a takeout 3 times, bid the cheapest major.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 19:40

2. Partner likely has a strong balanced hand and need not have takeout shape so I agree with Statto that we just keep the bidding low rather than bid a major.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 19:59

2H.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 20:47

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Posted 2012-February-22, 21:16

Where's that fence, think i want to sit on it.

At pairs the extra for 2 is worth bidding however at teams I wouuld bid 2 as it just might be your safest spot.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 23:08

View Postjules101, on 2012-February-22, 18:37, said:




What now? :(

Let's try a little arithmetic. With 1 club opening, op's partner could have responded 1x, or 2 clubs with 6 points. You have zero. So your partner and opener have at least 35. Opener likely has 16-19, leaving your partner with 16-24. But he is under opener, with no suit of his own. If opener had good 4 card major he might have tried it instead of 1NT.

Bid 2. Partner will bid his best major at that point. He has some clubs. Probably 3, which gives him 2 entries to your hand. Why? Because his partner did not return him to 2 clubs after the 1N rebid.

My guess - partner is 4423 with 21-22 points.

(If partner is a beginner with long strong clubs, I hope p is not your spouse.)
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Posted 2012-February-23, 01:49

View PostFM75, on 2012-February-22, 23:08, said:


My guess - partner is 4423 with 21-22 points.


The club was specified as 4+ cards, and most people open 2N on that
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Posted 2012-February-23, 01:54

Tricky hand, we have decent support for both majors despite the insufficient minerals. I'd start with 2 but maybe 2 is a possibility intending to show hearts cheaply next?

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-February-23, 01:49, said:

The club was specified as 4+ cards, and most people open 2N on that

RHO is not our partner.
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Posted 2012-February-23, 02:03

2, it's my best suit. :)


2 is likely to cause the least trouble if partner is the player who overbid strong hand. However 2M is more likely to be best contract if playing MP.
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Posted 2012-February-23, 02:20

Am I the only one who thinks 4M could be a very good contract here if partner has their bids?
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Posted 2012-February-23, 03:43

View Postgwnn, on 2012-February-23, 02:20, said:

Am I the only one who thinks 4M could be a very good contract here if partner has their bids?

No, I was thinking it too. It sounds like partner has a mountain. KQJx AKQ KQJx xx would be enough for game; how much less can partner have?

Possibly I should have done something on the previous round, though I'm not sure what. Anyway, I bid 3 now. It must be clear to partner that I don't have many high cards, so 3 probably shows something like this.

I don't think 3 is game-forcing, so I suppose I should pass 3M if he bids it. He won't know if we're game-forced either, though, so he'll probably bid 4 if he wants to be sure of reaching game.
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Posted 2012-February-23, 04:46

Like others have said, I'd bid 2D at teams and 2H at matchpoints.

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Posted 2012-February-23, 04:48

What about just bidding 2 intending to accept an invite, or jumping to 4 if partner bids 3 or 2NT? But maybe 3 is just cleaner.
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Posted 2012-February-23, 05:21

2. I understand 2 but I don't understand 2. If partner's next bid is 3 it would be nice to be able to offer a second suit. Maybe we are strong enough to bid in reverse order but in that case we should plan to show both majors.
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Posted 2012-February-23, 05:22

View Postgwnn, on 2012-February-23, 04:48, said:

What about just bidding 2 intending to accept an invite, or jumping to 4 if partner bids 3 or 2NT? But maybe 3 is just cleaner.

That's what I'd do if I didn't think I was worth game. But look at what partner has done - he's acted three times, vulnerable and without any encouragement, even though he's probably not that short in clubs. With the example I gave, partner will think he's said everything there is to say.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-February-23, 05:35

If you think you're worth game, why did you say you'd pass 3M over 3? Am I misreading something again?
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Posted 2012-February-23, 07:29

View Postgwnn, on 2012-February-23, 05:35, said:

If you think you're worth game, why did you say you'd pass 3M over 3? Am I misreading something again?

No, I was being inconsistent, reflecting my uncertainty about whether to drive game or just invite. I think I'm probably worth game, but if partner doesn't bid game after I bid 3 maybe I'm not.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-February-23, 07:41

2 showing clear preference for the superior suit. (Hey that 5 is bigger than the 4!) :rolleyes:
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