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#21 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2012-February-22, 10:22

View PostPoky, on 2012-February-22, 09:09, said:

With singleton spade, you have a decent defense against 2 too.

Maybe. Or maybe I have enough defence to beat 3 but not enough to beat 2.

Give partner some ordinary hand like AKxxx Kxx xx xxx. How much chance will we have against 2 after partner leads a top spade? If we compete to 2, we have a good chance of making that, but it's more likely that they'll compete to 3 and go one down.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 10:35

We are a passed hand W vs red so i wont have 6H here. My style is to bid 2H with 4/5H & doubleton S and X show H+clubs and very often a stiff S. The downside of this is that with a 2425/2434 you need to choose between 2H or X. (since partner will play you with a stiff S and might pass the takeout X). With a decent 2326 Its tougher for me to X and correct 2H to 2S, so im stuck to bid 2S. The upside is that you can play 2Dx and 3Dx more often. Here however the hand is a bit light and i would pass.

playing more standard methods I strongly believe that partner need 3 or Hx to pass 2H (by a passed hand)
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Posted 2012-February-22, 12:41

View Postgnasher, on 2012-February-22, 10:22, said:

Maybe. Or maybe I have enough defence to beat 3 but not enough to beat 2.

Give partner some ordinary hand like AKxxx Kxx xx xxx. How much chance will we have against 2 after partner leads a top spade? If we compete to 2, we have a good chance of making that, but it's more likely that they'll compete to 3 and go one down.

If you double with a wide range (read: any crap), partner will lose security in competition when it gets to the 3rd level.

Your hand isn't quite an "ordinary hand". Besides, with this hand you can protect 2 with a double (if you hate let them play a contract so much).
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Posted 2012-February-22, 14:34

View PostPoky, on 2012-February-22, 12:41, said:

Your hand isn't quite an "ordinary hand". Besides, with this hand you can protect 2 with a double (if you hate let them play a contract so much).

Are you really saying that with AKxxx Kxx xx xxx the overcaller should bid
1   1   2   pass
pass dbl
?

And I don't hate to let them play a contract, I just like plus scores more than I like minus scores.
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Posted 2012-February-22, 15:22

I would always double
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Posted 2012-February-24, 04:43

Pass at matchpoints white against red with such an offensive hand is certifiable.

Doubling with a singleton spade is certifiable.

2H on such a suit is certifiable.

Anybody for playing Muiderberg?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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