bluecalm, on 2012-February-19, 11:31, said:
I don't get it.
Partner made penalty double so we should try to get them. The way to get them is mainly to double them with trump stack behind their trump length. If we are to achieve that partner should always pass with balanced hand without having trump stack hoping we do have it. As he will do that with any strength (the stronger hand the better !) we shouldn't pass ever.
Simple, if u dont play neg doubles after u already double 1 NT and showed interest in punishing them, then pd doesnt have it, neither do you. Then it becomes a choice of partscore competition decision, shall we let them play or shall we compete more.
Also what u said is totally a mystery to me, first u said "I hope we play neg dbl" and then u said "pd maybe passing with balance hand with the hope that we do have a trump stack". And what will happen if i do have stack since you want this double to be negative ?
And you are overestimating the strength of 1NT DBL. Pd can not possibly have a hand that is forcing in strength wise. He at most will have 12 hcp, but usually arround 9-10 hcp. ( if we assume opener has minimum 12 and NT bidder has minimum of 16 =28 ) Thus putting the minimum opener hands into a forcing auction just because of DBL of 1 NT needs agreement, it is not like your side is overwhelmingly strong for 2 level penalties. In average the split will be arround 22 vs 18.
EDIT: Over 2♥
if i am doubler of 1NT (responder), i would just bid game with all 11-12 hcp hands and good spot cards. I know pd has about 12 hcp but we will play this hand double dummy and i have the spots, defense has no communication and their long suit is in weak hand, i would just pass all 9-10 hcps if i dont have penalty double and would dbl them if i have one. Or i would just simply make a competitive bid over 2♥
. All this neg double suggestions make me nothing but dizzy and i dont even see the upside for it. Imo it is best to straight forward DBL them when we started with DBL of 1NT.