frank0, on 2012-February-18, 22:58, said:
Wait, if 3♠=preference, what's your bid if you have 11HCP and 3♠(you make forcing 1N and want to jump 3♠ next round to invite, but now you have slam try hand)?
Good question. This may look like an agreement thing but here is what i think . Most people with the fast arrival logic plays after ;
= i have a 3 card 10-11 raise
= i was gonna bid 2♠
after 1 NT, i have a bad 2♠
Which sounds like a plan on the paper. However it is pretty bad imo. I am not even gonna get in the fast arrival criticism, but when opener makes jump shift, responder doesnt always have hands such as 3 card 10-11 fit or 3 card bad 2♠
raise. There other type of hands in between such as no real fir and not able to bid 3NT.
Most top players that i know play it this was;
= preference or 3 card fit which wasnt good enough to make a 2♠
bid at the first place. Looking for right strain. He may not be able to bid 3NT for example.
= This is the answer to your question, 10-11 3 card fit.
4 minor = Depends on agreement, my own invention is 4♣
support, limit raise and ♠
honor or 5th trump, 4♦
supp, lim raise, no ♠
honor or 5th ♥
supp and weakest hand.