han, on 2012-February-13, 09:29, said:
It's all very well to call a double takeout, but if partner is always going to pass the double, then that's not a takeout double, it is a penalty double. If double is really takeout, then partner should not pass when he holds the most offensive hand possible.
To those bidding 4C I ask:
(1) are you certain that partner will think that 4C is forcing?
(2) How will you end up in 3SX (or 3NT) when partner has AJ10x Kxx xxx xxx?
By the way, I think that there is a lot to be said to play this double as penalty. There is even more to be said for having a good agreement about which doubles are takeout and what it exactly means for a double to be takeout.
To me 4C strongly suggests 5-5 in an ok hand. I dont think its forcing but expect partner to raise most of the time with decent values. I play 1N = 8-11 and would expect a raise with any hand with 8 Non spade HCP. Hands with spade ace will be tough for him but you cant have everything.
I like 4S as a bit. It shows a good hand with a spade void basically always, but carriers the inference that you are not 5-5, as with 55 and a v good hand you could just bid 5C. Some might think ths hand does not have enough, but I am not one of them, with ace ace ace, partner does not need much: KJx Kxx Kx JTxxx a routine NT bid where 7C a claimer, and probably this hand would not pull 3sx.
I think 4N is also on the table, one possible agreement is that 4N would show a good hand 64 in the minors here. I have not discussed the meaning of this bid with any of my partners.
I am not so worried about missing slam as much as missing game and picking up a paltry 300, which does not seem unlikely.
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