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#41 User is offline   mikeh 

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Posted 2012-February-07, 12:51

 ArtK78, on 2012-February-07, 12:35, said:

It is almost the same as playing takeout doubles at the one-level. Sometimes RHO opens 1 and you hold the KQJTxx of spades. I don't think anyone will argue that a double of 1 should be for penalties (although that was true in the early years of bridge - and I may be talking about auction bridge - unfortunately, I lost my authority on the early days of contract bridge a couple of years ago).

Hi Timo

You don't have to go back as far as the 'early days' to find when doubles of overcalls were played as penalty. The negative double was invented by the Edison of the bridge world, Alvin Roth. I am not sure exactly when he came up with it, and it wasn't as we now use it, but it would probably have been in the late 1950's. Early on they were often referred to as Sputnik doubles....a reference to the Soviet satellite that prompted the US to embark on the race to the moon. I think Sputnik was late 1950s but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Ok, maybe that seems like the early days :D I collect bridge books, and generally look only for books published before 1940, so I have a distorted view.

I have a 1948 BW in which the nationals in Miami were covered....Roth is identified as a young up and comer, who suggested that maybe an overcall of 2N over 1M should show both minors.....this was the invention of the unusual 2N, and many more inventions were to follow..some of which never caught on (1M 2M was STRONG), some of which had a niche following for years (the R-S sound 1st and 2nd seat opening bids) and some of which are commonplace.....5 card majors, forcing 1N response, negative doubles, etc.
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Posted 2012-February-07, 14:06

Pardon me for asking, but who is Timo?

Yes, even the invention of the negative double was before my time. And it was in the late 50's, hence the name Sputnik. But I do remember at one of my first club games overhearing a player talking about playing in a recently concluded national tournament and saying how he got some good results playing positive doubles. And this was in the early 70's.
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Posted 2012-February-07, 14:23

Timo Wyman of course
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Posted 2012-February-07, 14:27

 JLOGIC, on 2012-February-07, 14:23, said:

Timo Wyman of course


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Posted 2012-February-07, 17:30

I am Timo :)

Now i know why u wrote "Which team is Timo in" in forums team matches thread Wyman, sorry i thought u were talking about me since Timo is not a very common name.
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Posted 2012-February-07, 18:09

 ArtK78, on 2012-February-07, 14:06, said:

But I do remember at one of my first club games overhearing a player talking about playing in a recently concluded national tournament and saying how he got some good results playing positive doubles.


Still the only permitted method at many rubber bridge clubs. I enjoy playing these methods at duplicate, though most of my partners won't have it.
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Posted 2012-February-07, 18:57

 MrAce, on 2012-February-07, 17:30, said:

I am Timo :)

Now i know why u wrote "Which team is Timo in" in forums team matches thread Wyman, sorry i thought u were talking about me since Timo is not a very common name.


heh, no, i was legit asking which team you were on.

JLall was just having fun, since 'everyone' around here knows that you are Timo.
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Posted 2012-February-07, 19:29

 wyman, on 2012-February-07, 18:57, said:

heh, no, i was legit asking which team you were on.

JLall was just having fun, since 'everyone' around here knows that you are Timo.


Man...Justin and his sarcasms...harr harr :angry: :P :D
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Posted 2012-February-07, 20:04

no, i'm spartacus
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Posted 2012-February-07, 22:21

lol, Timo you're crackin me up lately with the sarcasm detection!
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Posted 2012-February-07, 22:45


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Posted 2012-February-08, 00:29

 JLOGIC, on 2012-February-07, 22:21, said:

lol, Timo you're crackin me up lately with the sarcasm detection!


Yup i jumped on bait 3 times

1- When Han was supposedly bragging about his ratings

2- Verhees comment on his pd's lead

3- This one

Oh well....I guess the phrase 'Sarcasm dont work well on the net' should be changed to 'Sarcasm dont work well on the net and especially on Timo' i guess
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Posted 2012-February-08, 08:18

 MrAce, on 2012-February-08, 00:29, said:

Oh well....I guess the phrase 'Sarcasm dont work well on the net' should be changed to 'Sarcasm dont work well on the net and especially on Timo' i guess


It also doesn't work well on physicists. Perhaps you have missed your calling Timo?
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