Auto redeal when using Help-me-find-a-game? Like it or hate it?
#1
Posted 2010-February-10, 21:44
HMFAG ( Help-me-find-a-game to play ) is invoked tens of thousands of times a day. For the casual player, it seems to be a popular way to "just sit and play" against random opps.
Our reasoning behind this change:
- incoming players that arrive in the middle of a hand as defenders or declarer cannot possibly defend or play. They need to manually redeal.
Unintended side effect:
- incoming players that arrive as dummy don't need to cause a redeal, but they do now anyway.
It isn't clear to me that players that arrive int the middle of the auction should force a redeal.
Anyway, let me know what you think. We received an above-average number of complaints about this change, and I'm trying to make sure we're doing what most of us want.
#3
Posted 2010-February-10, 22:29
are well-taken.
uday said:
Anyone who is affected by the new system should be entitled
to speak, regardless of what option he may use to join a table.
I have in the past used the "Help me..." option.
I will never use it again because it of its role in the aggravation
being discussed here.
But why limit the new redeal system to people who use this option,
and not also extend it to the cases where people scroll the table list
and chose a table themselves, instead of having the computer chose
for them?
In either case, I do not mind at all playing a few tricks "blind".
uday said:
I addressed this before.
The incoming player is ONE person.
There are THREE other people at the table who have invested
time, thought and emotion in the deal.
The needs and wishes of THREE people should usually take priority
over the needs and wishes of ONE person, and I see no reason why
the BBO table procedure under discussion in this thread should be
an exception.
uday said:
- incoming players that arrive as dummy don't need to cause a redeal, but they do now anyway...
I think incoming players may also cause a redeal even if the bidding
has not started.
#4
Posted 2010-February-10, 22:33
uday said:
Thanks very much for your attention to the issue.
#5
Posted 2010-February-11, 04:59
#6
Posted 2010-February-11, 06:02
#7
Posted 2010-February-11, 07:54
uday, on Feb 10 2010, 10:44 PM, said:
HMFAG ( Help-me-find-a-game to play ) is invoked tens of thousands of times a day. For the casual player, it seems to be a popular way to "just sit and play" against random opps.
Our reasoning behind this change:
- incoming players that arrive in the middle of a hand as defenders or declarer cannot possibly defend or play. They need to manually redeal.
Unintended side effect:
- incoming players that arrive as dummy don't need to cause a redeal, but they do now anyway.
It isn't clear to me that players that arrive int the middle of the auction should force a redeal.
Anyway, let me know what you think. We received an above-average number of complaints about this change, and I'm trying to make sure we're doing what most of us want.
Pls don't vote unless you actually use Help-me-find-a-game to play, or unless you tend to open tables that don't need perms to sit ( which are populated by help-me-find-a-game )
There are other stakeholders other than these mentioned.
I never used the hmfag feature in the windows client, but have to do so in the web client because the tables do not refresh.
While I tend not to open tables without permission, sometimes i might change permission settings if I cannot attract opps-- remeber, i can no longer recruit them from the lobby.
While in the windows client, i like to browse and select available partners in tables that may or may not have permission settings, often i am beaten to the seat by the hmfag crew, but i can live with that.
Sometimes, when I do find a seat the partner might not like what he sees and he leaves, i can live with that, but the opps may suffer repeated redeals in this process.
- incoming players that arrive in the middle of a hand as defenders or declarer cannot possibly defend or play. They need to manually redeal.
With that I agree, they need to MANUALLY redeal, let them use their own finger and ask, if the rest of us do not agree, how inconvenient can it be for the hmfag fella to go and click the hmfag button again?
Some of them might not feel they need a redeal, i never ask for a redeal when i join a game in progress, i play it out, misdefend and misplay.
Unintended side effect:
- incoming players that arrive as dummy don't need to cause a redeal, but they do now anyway.
At first i thought like USviking, that one person was taking control and making decisions for a majortiy of three.
But then I realized it is worse than that.
All the guy did was click a button to join a table.
It was an Infinite Monkey who redealt the hand, who cares about the players he is there 24-7 imposing redeals on all concerned.
Sorry, i think the remedy is worse than the disease.
#8
Posted 2010-February-11, 14:12
help me find a game -- oh, i've got a yarb. BYE!
try again -- ooh, 2N opener, think i'll stay now.
#9
Posted 2010-February-11, 14:41
#10
Posted 2010-February-11, 15:12
I can sympathize with others and think it may be better to have a robot finish the hand rather than redeal, for example, with only a few cards left. But I won't be unhappy if you choose to keep the feature, and I won't be unhappy if you decide to remove it.
I hope I speak for everyone when I say that we appreciate all your hard work, Uday et al.
bed
#11
Posted 2010-March-01, 13:54
#12
Posted 2010-March-13, 21:29
This would get rid of 1/3 of the aggravation either way.
tOM
#13
Posted 2011-August-17, 21:34
if strategy play to that moment was so much missed we must accept briliant finish of player who has no idea what was going on. lots of case is not simple else why we adjusting with help of GIB? we giving chance to rescue last few percent sometimes change null for max.
i know resignation from this option adds ammunition to those who delay the game, I'm bad in English but will try to toss the idea . ops claim, fine, now in can only reject or accept what when he is stubborn and replay claim without change and explain future play ? it's his claim if situation is problematics to solution problem now GIB should start defence with ask "what is your next card?" and after fine way claim is complete else GIB show score follows his wrong way.
#14
Posted 2011-August-18, 14:16