[manudude03]

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Does J52 really qualify as "help". It would also be useful if it only jumped to 5M if trumps were it's ONLY concern. I'm very control rich for what I've shown and slam still had no play....

[georgi]

manudude03, on 2011-August-06, 06:40, said:

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Does J52 really qualify as "help". It would also be useful if it only jumped to 5M if trumps were it's ONLY concern. I'm very control rich for what I've shown and slam still had no play....

Does the 2NT bid (invite for just 3NT, in theory is bid that might be passed) could suddenly raise to a slam interest 3♠ bid?

And if the trumps are the only problem, 5- 8421 doesn't seem as guaranteed honor strength for 6♥ toward KJxxx.

The 5♥ bid promises just points, it's just maximum and should have in mind it skips all controls cuebids, so that denies all aces in outside heart suit.

After all how attractive that 1NT hand could be that your balanced 18HCP ( although having 7 controls ) with top 3 tricks and not so good trump may gear up for slam?

[manudude03]

5H doesn't say any more about points that 3D had already. The 3S bid is safe considering I'm already limited fairly tightly. Arguably dreaming, but if dummy is Axx Qxx Qxxxxx x, slam needs little more than trumps 3-2. When that kind of bidding does happen, 3S really ought to say it's slam suitable. As for the raise with KJxxx, the robots nearly always has at least 1 honor there. Though obviously not the case here, remember that 5- means KJx or worse, so even Qxxxx can be enough if you're lucky!

Just from experience, 5H doesn't deny a control elsewhere. It pretty much does it on most "slam-suitable" hands. I know I'm not always right, but it does feel really wrong for GiB to be jumping to 5H there. Even AQx AKxxx Kx Axx is only a fair slam and thats a 20 count (with 8! controls)

[georgi]

manudude03, on 2011-August-06, 11:49, said:

5H doesn't say any more about points that 3D had already. The 3S bid is safe considering I'm already limited fairly tightly. Arguably dreaming, but if dummy is Axx Qxx Qxxxxx x, slam needs little more than trumps 3-2. When that kind of bidding does happen, 3S really ought to say it's slam suitable. As for the raise with KJxxx, the robots nearly always has at least 1 honor there. Though obviously not the case here, remember that 5- means KJx or worse, so even Qxxxx can be enough if you're lucky!

Just from experience, 5H doesn't deny a control elsewhere. It pretty much does it on most "slam-suitable" hands. I know I'm not always right, but it does feel really wrong for GiB to be jumping to 5H there. Even AQx AKxxx Kx Axx is only a fair slam and thats a 20 count (with 8! controls)

The differences which GIB could get from the bidding are:
2NT is 17-19HCP 22- total points;
3♠ - same HCP of course, but 21-22 total points.

The provided hand ♠K104 ♥KJ876 ♦AK ♣A63 has 18HCP/18TP.
2NT limits the hand up to HCP, but there are some more total points you could increase with the further bids.

5- means xxx or better, 5+ means KJ+, 4+ means QJx or better, etc.

Of course 5♥ might not be better bid here, but GIBs can't be equipped for all auctions we could encounter at the table.

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[Lovera]

manudude03, on 2011-August-06, 06:40, said:

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Does J52 really qualify as "help". It would also be useful if it only jumped to 5M if trumps were it's ONLY concern. I'm very control rich for what I've shown and slam still had no play....

Just to know: how i can copy from "My Hands" in this visible way an hand that i played ?.Thanks.

[Bbradley62]

Lovera, on 2015-August-20, 16:29, said:

Just to know: how i can copy from "My Hands" in this visible way an hand that i played ?.Thanks.

http://www.bridgebas...a-hand-diagram/

[cloa513]

manudude03, on 2011-August-06, 06:40, said:

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Does J52 really qualify as "help". It would also be useful if it only jumped to 5M if trumps were it's ONLY concern. I'm very control rich for what I've shown and slam still had no play....

Given that Gib started with the weakness showing 1nt, your　slam try was ridiculously optimistic.

[steve2005]

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[1eyedjack]

cloa513, on 2015-August-24, 13:16, said:

Given that Gib started with the weakness showing 1nt, your　slam try was ridiculously optimistic.

Within the context of his earlier 2N bid he could hardly be stronger.

I agree that slam is vanishingly remote. It was effectively a "practice" slam try on the way to game. As with an unnecessary ("practice") finesse it was a futile waste of time. Except that it was not futile as it creates an opportunity to expose a flaw in GIB's subsequent judgement.

Perhaps a better use for the sequence would be to investigate 3N as an alternative strain, although given that it is the only bid available between 3H and 3N it is hard to see how it could be used.

PS just realised this is a necro-thread. Another Lovera special. Should have realised. The clue is in the fact that it contains a response from Georgi.

[1eyedjack]

georgi, on 2011-August-06, 15:22, said:

The differences which GIB could get from the bidding are:
2NT is 17-19HCP 22- total points;
3♠ - same HCP of course, but 21-22 total points.

To my mind 2N is non-forcing. Did no-one think to question this response 4 years ago?

georgi, on 2011-August-06, 15:22, said:

2NT limits the hand up to HCP, but there are some more total points you could increase with the further bids.

The capacity to enhance the HCP by way of additional distributional points would be somewhat restricted, in my view, by the fact that opener is almost certainly 5332 shape, or maybe one card adrift.

[iandayre]

I started playing in GIB tourneys almost two years ago, and I have never seen GIB make an invitational bid of 5 of a major. Glad they got rid of it if this was an example. Every one of openers 18 HCP is working and you need another Ace to make slam.

[manudude03]

iandayre, on 2015-August-25, 09:57, said:

I started playing in GIB tourneys almost two years ago, and I have never seen GIB make an invitational bid of 5 of a major. Glad they got rid of it if this was an example. Every one of openers 18 HCP is working and you need another Ace to make slam.

Back then, the robots were practically allergic to RKC. Pretty much any time it had slam interest, it would cuebid or jump to 5M.

[Lovera]

georgi, on 2011-August-06, 11:32, said:

Does the 2NT bid (invite for just 3NT, in theory is bid that might be passed) could suddenly raise to a slam interest 3♠ bid?

And if the trumps are the only problem, 5- 8421 doesn't seem as guaranteed honor strength for 6♥ toward KJxxx.

The 5♥ bid promises just points, it's just maximum and should have in mind it skips all controls cuebids, so that denies all aces in outside heart suit.

After all how attractive that 1NT hand could be that your balanced 18HCP ( although having 7 controls ) with top 3 tricks and not so good trump may gear up for slam?

However it is can also bid 2♦ directly and then raise to 3♥ showing the same points and diamond suit (it is right that with 5- 8421 .. in H, the Ace(=8) there is not).