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What conventions are implied by BBO SAYC?

#1 User is offline   jsrmath 

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Posted 2010-November-13, 12:16

I play SAYC with some other 2/1 conventions and I was wondering which conventions I need to specify on my profile besides writing "SAYC". Along with basic SAYC stuff, I play all of these:

Michaels
Unusual 2NT
Gerber over NT
Grand slam force
Splinters
4-suit transfers
Texas transfers
Gambling 3NT
Negative Doubles
SOS Redoubles
DOPI

So, which are necessary to specify in my profile, and which go without saying when I write "SAYC"?

Thanks,
Julian
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Posted 2010-November-13, 12:44

To see the BBO SAYC convention card, go to:
My BBO
Convention Cards
under Stock Convention Cards: SAYC - Standard American Yellow Card (near the bottom)
click on Show and you'll see the whole card.

Included: Michaels, Unusual 2NT, Gerber over NT, Grand slam force, 4-suit xfers, Texas xfers, Neg Dbl, DOPI

Not Included: Splinters (this surprises me), Gambling 3NT, SOS Redoubles

However, you're making a huge assumption that other people know what is (and what is not) included in SAYC. You might want to say something like:
SAYC (includes 4way & Texas xfers, GSF). Also play splinter, Gambling, SOS**
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Posted 2010-November-13, 12:55

Also Jacoby 2NT (gameforcing raise of major) is part of SAYC.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 12:55

Thanks. I find myself having to alert a lot of things anyway since you can never tell what other people play, especially when their profiles are blank which really annoys me. I think I'll go with something similar to what you said.

And @Peachy, I do play Jacoby 2NT, I just forgot to write it. Thanks.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 13:05

View PostBbradley62, on 2010-November-13, 12:44, said:

To see the BBO SAYC convention card, go to:
My BBO
Convention Cards
under Stock Convention Cards: SAYC - Standard American Yellow Card (near the bottom)
click on Show and you'll see the whole card.

Included: Michaels, Unusual 2NT, Gerber over NT, Grand slam force, 4-suit xfers, Texas xfers, Neg Dbl, DOPI

Not Included: Splinters (this surprises me), Gambling 3NT, SOS Redoubles

However, you're making a huge assumption that other people know what is (and what is not) included in SAYC. You might want to say something like:
SAYC (includes 4way & Texas xfers, GSF). Also play splinter, Gambling, SOS**


SAYC does not include 4-suit transfers.

1NT 2 is weak with either minor

1NT 2NT is invitational

Also I think SAYC has regular Blackwood not a RKCB variation.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 13:37

yeah Cascade is right.

But many people think that "sayc" just means 5-card majors and strong notrump. So it may be a good idea to put J2NT on your profile also.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 20:21

Cascade is correct, on SAYC.
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Posted 2010-November-13, 22:24

OK, so I included all those, and with my remaining room, I just put some other stuff that maybe not everyone plays. My current profile is this:

SAYC, Splinters, Gambling 3NT, 4-suit Xfers, Texas Xfers, SOS XX, Jacoby 2NT, GSF, DOPI, Neg X

Sound good?
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Posted 2010-November-14, 12:29

View Postjsrmath, on 2010-November-13, 22:24, said:

OK, so I included all those, and with my remaining room, I just put some other stuff that maybe not everyone plays. My current profile is this:

SAYC, Splinters, Gambling 3NT, 4-suit Xfers, Texas Xfers, SOS XX, Jacoby 2NT, GSF, DOPI, Neg X

Sound good?


Yes, nicely done! You might take the Neg X away, it is played by everybody regardless of their system.

From your footnote I notice you are 14 years old. Please be sure to check the BBO Juniors activities. They have a webpage and weekly Junior tourneys (no charge, partner provided if you don't have one) with expert analyses afterward.
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Posted 2014-July-11, 17:51

RE: Neg X "played by everybody regardless of system." I don't remember this in Goren or Kaplan-Sheinwold, but my memory is poor. Is Neg X part of Precision, SEF, and Polish Club?
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Posted 2014-July-11, 20:08

"Is Neg X part of Precision, SEF, and Polish Club"
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Posted 2014-July-11, 20:13

View Posthelene_t, on 2010-November-13, 13:37, said:

But many people think that "sayc" just means 5-card majors and strong notrump. So it may be a good idea to put J2NT on your profile also.


Why do people put their preferred methods on their profile? Isn't it more convenient to provide a completed convention card, or use a stock one and stipulate "no changes"?
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Posted 2014-July-12, 00:54

View PostVampyr, on 2014-July-11, 20:13, said:

Why do people put their preferred methods on their profile? Isn't it more convenient to provide a completed convention card, or use a stock one and stipulate "no changes"?

It's a lot easier to decide between random partners by looking at their profile and few are aware what is actually in the stock cards.
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Posted 2014-July-14, 10:28

negX - how high? remember, SAYC mandates "through 2" only...
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