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Climate change a different take on what to do about it.

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Posted 2017-September-19, 06:15

View PostPassedOut, on 2017-September-19, 05:58, said:

It's not just the Guardian now. The New York Times has started working to educate folks in the US about climate change: Climate Change Is Complex. We’ve Got Answers to Your Questions.


So heat-trapping gasses trap heat! Makes sense, when you think about it.
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"Carbon dioxide is a major player; without any of it in the air, the Earth would be a frozen wasteland."

Oh dear. Water vapor anyone? Adiabatic lapse rate? Snowball earth? etc. etc. Lions and tigers and bears!

p.s. but we can only "control" (read tax) CO2 so why not make the best of it...
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Posted 2017-September-29, 08:07

Well, darn those climate scientists that insist on reporting good news (not from an alarmist standpoint at least...). The earth is greening apace and it appears to be mostly thanks to good old CO2. Wasn't it nice of Mother Nature to sequester away all that lovely energy in a form that we could make use of AND replenish the earth? Won't our grandchildren thank us for the abundant energy and increased food supplies that we have provided for them?

LETTERSPUBLISHED ONLINE: 25 APRIL 2016 | DOI: 10.1038/NCLIMATE3004Greening of the Earth and its driversZaichun Zhu1,2, Shilong Piao1,2*, Ranga B. Myneni3, Mengtian Huang2, Zhenzhong Zeng2,Josep G. Canadell4, Philippe Ciais2,5, Stephen Sitch6, Pierre Friedlingstein7, Almut Arneth8,Chunxiang Cao9, Lei Cheng10, Etsushi Kato11, Charles Koven12, Yue Li2, Xu Lian2, Yongwen Liu2,Ronggao Liu13, Jiafu Mao14, Yaozhong Pan15, Shushi Peng2, Josep Peñuelas16,17, Benjamin Poulter18,Thomas A. M. Pugh8,19, Benjamin D. Stocker20,21, Nicolas Viovy5, Xuhui Wang2, Yingping Wang22,Zhiqiang Xiao23, Hui Yang2, Sönke Zaehle24 and Ning Zeng25Global environmental change is rapidly altering the dynamics of terrestrial vegetation, with consequences for the functioning of the Earth system and provision of ecosystem services1,2.Yet how global vegetation is responding to the changing environment is not well established. Here we use three long-term satellite leaf area index (LAI) records and ten global ecosystem models to investigate four key drivers of LAI trends during 1982–2009. We show a persistent and widespread increase of growing season integrated LAI (greening) over25% to 50% of the global vegetated area, whereas less than 4% of the globe shows decreasing LAI (browning).Factorial simulations with multiple global ecosystem models suggest that CO2 fertilization effects explain 70% of the observed greening trend, followed by nitrogen deposition(9%), climate change (8%) and land cover change (LCC) (4%).CO2 fertilization effects explain most of the greening trends in the tropics, whereas climate change resulted in greening of the high latitudes and the Tibetan Plateau. LCC contributed most to the regional greening observed in southeast China and the eastern United States. The regional effects of unexplained factors suggest that the next generation of ecosystem models will need to explore the impacts of forest demography, differences in regional management intensities for cropland and pastures, and other emerging productivity constraints such as phosphorus availability.

See it for yourself . Green is good
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Posted 2017-November-09, 07:43

Back in 2004, the properly sited, triply redundant, no-need-for-adjustment USCRN (U.S. Climate Reference Network) was established by the good folk at NOAA to verify the actual temperatures in the continental US. Despite a couple of El Nino cycles, the last 14 years have been....well..steady... The only real surprise is how we all survived the +7 F (+4C) average temperatures of 2006 AND 2012. :lol:

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Posted 2017-December-20, 07:41

Is it doomsday yet? It's freaking cold here and I am getting tired of waiting around for that global warming to finally show up... :angry:;)
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Posted 2017-December-20, 08:50

View PostAl_U_Card, on 2017-December-20, 07:41, said:

Is it doomsday yet? It's freaking cold here and I am getting tired of waiting around for that global warming to finally show up... :angry:;)


How cute

Al is now senile enough that he has forgotten that winter exists
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Posted 2017-December-20, 12:23

View Posthrothgar, on 2017-December-20, 08:50, said:

How cute

Al is now senile enough that he has forgotten that winter exists


Fox News, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of the small-government horde utilize the tactic of keeping the ignorant ignorant by re-enforcing the use of intuition and feelings as a reasonable method to determine reality. Although it sounds simplistic to discount climate change with local weather, the truth is that it is an effective means to keep a lot of people ignorant. The real issue to me is how to successfully counter this tactic.
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Posted 2017-December-20, 15:49

View PostWinstonm, on 2017-December-20, 12:23, said:

Fox News, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of the small-government horde utilize the tactic of keeping the ignorant ignorant by re-enforcing the use of intuition and feelings as a reasonable method to determine reality. Although it sounds simplistic to discount climate change with local weather, the truth is that it is an effective means to keep a lot of people ignorant. The real issue to me is how to successfully counter this tactic.


I vote for shooting Al...
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Posted 2017-December-20, 15:52

View PostWinstonm, on 2017-December-20, 12:23, said:

Fox News, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of the small-government horde utilize the tactic of keeping the ignorant ignorant by re-enforcing the use of intuition and feelings as a reasonable method to determine reality. Although it sounds simplistic to discount climate change with local weather, the truth is that it is an effective means to keep a lot of people ignorant. The real issue to me is how to successfully counter this tactic.


I vote for shooting Al...
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Posted 2017-December-21, 06:51

View Posthrothgar, on 2017-December-20, 15:52, said:

I vote for shooting Al...

S--sh--s--s--sh--s--s--s--shooting's too good for 'im, sir.
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Posted 2017-December-21, 07:12

View PostZelandakh, on 2017-December-21, 06:51, said:

S--sh--s--s--sh--s--s--s--shooting's too good for 'im, sir.


https://www.youtube....h?v=tHgMsvpFm08

(Watch it through, its actually relevant)
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Posted 2018-January-26, 10:27

In 2017, the oceans were by far the hottest ever recorded

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The authors went a bit further and investigated how the heat was input into the oceans by region. They found that in 2017, a lot of heat was deposited in the Atlantic and Southern Oceans. The authors also calculated that all this heat resulted in approximately 2 mm rise in sea level (as water warms, it expands and so that ocean levels rise).

Further consequences of this heating include declining oxygen levels in the oceans, bleaching of coral reefs, and melting of both sea ice and ice shelves (the latter of which which will also raise sea levels). We are observing these effects. Arctic ice is undergoing a long-term decline, and it’s possible the Arctic will become ice-free. Massive coral bleaching events have been recorded, particularly in the waters off of Australia. The point is, the effects of global warming aren’t just academic; they are real.

The consequences of this year-after-year-after-year warming have real impacts on humans. Fortunately, we know why the oceans are warming (because of human greenhouse gases), and we can do something about it. We can take action to reduce the heating of our planet by using energy more wisely and increasing the use of clean and renewable energy (like wind and solar power).

Too bad that Trump has taken action to put installers of solar panels in the US out of work.
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Posted 2018-January-26, 17:46

View PostPassedOut, on 2018-January-26, 10:27, said:

In 2017, the oceans were by far the hottest ever recorded


Too bad that Trump has taken action to put installers of solar panels in the US out of work.
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Are they recognizing that the ENSO (naturally variable climate phenomenon) is responsible for the latest rises in global temps? (1998 and 2016 el ninos because in between, global temps flatlined) When the PDO flips back to la ninas (like the '50s and '60s) will they also do the same? CO2 is so powerful, one molecule more per thousand after all...
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Posted 2018-January-27, 07:13

"If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." (Carl Sagan)
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Posted 2018-January-28, 13:51

Regarding the history for the range of values for the CO2 doubling GMT, Kerr has reported an interesting story (Kerr, 2004): “On the first day of deliberations, Manabe told the committee that his model warmed 2°C when CO2 was doubled. The next day Hansen said his model had recently gotten 4°C for a doubling. According to Manabe, Charney chose 0.5°C as a not-unreasonable margin of error, subtracted it from Manabe’s number, and added it to Hansen’s. Thus was born the 1.5°C-to-4.5°C range of likely climate sensitivity that has appeared in every greenhouse assessment since, including the three by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). More than one researcher at the workshop called Charney’s now-enshrined range and its attached best estimate of 3°C so much hand waving.”

Scam-boozle maybe?
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Posted 2018-February-12, 11:01

Same old, same old.

Adjusted temperatures scream: "Hottest year evah!" while models continue to be used to "prove" inevitable doom from CO2 increases.

Actual observations show: Sea level increasing at the same rate since measurements began. Global temperatures are stagnant and are mostly dependant on ENSO variations in the Pacific ocean. No increases in storm frequency or ferocity over the last 50 years. Those "sinking atolls" (Tuvalu etc.) now have MORE real-estate than back in the 1970's and the list goes on and on.

Reality puts the lie to CAGW alarmism.
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