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ATB Blame on the pre-empt or poor bidding?

#1 User is offline   bd71 

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Posted 2010-September-09, 08:40

Scoring: IMP

(3) P (P) 3
PO
Losing ~7.5 IMPS in BBO/ACBL IMP pairs game

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Posted 2010-September-09, 08:52

I blame East. If he didn't have enough for 3S the first time (fair enough) he certainly did the second time, and then West has an auto raise to 4S.

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Posted 2010-September-09, 09:01

IMO after east chooses pass over 3 (a not unreasonable choice) he has to act over his partner's 3call with either 3 or 4
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Posted 2010-September-09, 09:24

mr1303, on Sep 9 2010, 09:52 AM, said:

I blame East. If he didn't have enough for 3S the first time (fair enough) he certainly did the second time, and then West has an auto raise to 4S.

East 110 %

We agree. East is asleep to not bid 3 the 2nd time.
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Posted 2010-September-09, 10:21

Of course, 4 can go minus... but East should certainly bid and get you there...

This post has been edited by Bbradley62: 2010-September-09, 21:22

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Posted 2010-September-09, 10:21

Blame the players in other tables for not easily setting 4S. Still, you should be there ;)
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Posted 2010-September-09, 13:42

bd71, on Sep 9 2010, 09:40 AM, said:

Dealer: North
Vul: E/W
Scoring: IMP
T76
 
K954
KQJ864
A543
QJT875
Q2
A
KQJ98
A9
JT7
972
2
K6432
A863
T53
(3) P (P) 3
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Losing ~7.5 IMPS in BBO/ACBL IMP pairs game

yes.....4s/E is down....so blame ns for lousy defense....but still bid it....
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Posted 2010-September-09, 20:59

Actually the whole auction is odd. Sth should raise to 4C. Now it gets interesting.
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Posted 2010-September-09, 21:07

The_Hog, on Sep 9 2010, 09:59 PM, said:

Actually the whole auction is odd. Sth should raise to 4C. Now it gets interesting.

not sure 4c by south is 100% clear.....



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Posted 2010-September-09, 21:39

4C automatic as far as I can see.
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Posted 2010-September-10, 01:18

;) I tend to agree with most of the comments. A lift to 4 is automatic even sitting opposite a desperado. I might well have bid 5 depending on ................ Ten trumps (maybe) in and a stiff and a likely stiff in pard's hand make for a powerful combined playing holding. See, LOTT or the Lawrence-Witgren alternative for a proper analytical framework. Only the king is bad.

East probably ought to pass the 3 preempt, but once west doubles or bids 3 a raise to game is clear to my way of thinking.
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Posted 2010-September-10, 01:54

I blame East completely.
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Posted 2010-September-10, 09:57

I remember this hand. Partner opened a natural 2; over 2 I raised to 3; partner eventually carried on to 5 over 4. We weren't doubled and somehow were allowed to make it.

In the auction given, yes I think East could do more.
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Posted 2010-September-10, 11:58

For those who say that 4 should be down and that NS lousy defense is to blame, please explain to me how 4 is going down (except on an opening heart lead from South).

I don't see how leading a heart is so obvious against 4 by East.
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  Posted 2010-September-10, 11:58

East. Pard's bidding some of your cards, but not this much of a fine passed hand.
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