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#1 User is offline   karlson 

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Posted 2010-May-30, 23:49

It's pretty popular among precision players to move the 3-suited 0-1 11-15 opening to 2 instead of 2.

The acbl recommended defense has two treatments which seem dubious to me: 1. playing double as 5+ and an opening hand and 2. playing 3 as a good 3 bid. I would definitely have thought it's much better to play double as takeout of hearts and 3 as natural.

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Posted 2010-May-30, 23:57

I agree with their treatment on both points. I think you just have to be able to show hearts (not to mention since you are showing the suit they are currently in they might be in big trouble), and you want to show diamonds so much more than clubs the other part makes sense too. It's a bit annoying there is no way to show balanced 13 or 14 or whatever but credit their method. You just stretch to overcall 2NT or pass then double, and pray.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 00:05

If they are vulnerable, the double should be semi-penalty or penalty, they have no security whatsoever and will get nailed often enough that they might reconsider opening 1H with 4414 like i do or keeping the original prec 2D.

Non- vul i could go both way, but i prefer penalt-ish style.

I would double with 14 pts and 4H and + and 16 pts with 3H and 18 with 2H. Im using 2NT as a strong multi-suit 3 level bid.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 00:51

3C as a stronger 3D overcall is definitely correct
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Posted 2010-May-31, 01:03

Being able to overcall 3C natural when they always have 4+ and have 5+ more than half the time is not useful.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 03:21

X takeout of clubs and 3C as majors anyone?
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Posted 2010-May-31, 04:39

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X takeout of clubs and 3C as majors anyone?


Sounds good to me.

EDIT: Scratch that I thought we are talking about 2 opener.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 05:59

It seems initially like X as "Kokish" (hearts or balanced) might have some merit.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 07:54

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It seems initially like X as "Kokish" (hearts or balanced) might have some merit.


Looks very bad. Opponents may jump and your partner will be clueless about your length in major suits.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 09:15

bluecalm this is the second time you agreed with me then you ask for an undo :)
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Posted 2010-May-31, 09:21

If X = hearts and 2N = 15-18 or so, what does one do with a 18-19 count balanced hand?
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Posted 2010-May-31, 21:01

Try Amsbury-like 2M here. Throw dust cloud back into their high-risk opener.
2H: a) weak2H, :D 4144, c) 5D-5x with obvious after X escapes; 2S similar.
X, 2N, higher are strong bids.
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