[slyq]

sorry if i upset anyone some of the -ve i found were
1 15+ club was to low
2 10+ opening seems not to work as well as 11+ for technical reasons (xcept perhaps in spades)
3 canape style openings work best in competition if there are some restrictions and flexibliity in suit quality for openings (a la blue club) (lead directional 4-3 fits etc)
4 if you play transfer vairiants of moscito ( 1d =h etc)
this gives up to the opponents the two bites of the cherry (x and cue)
without the corresponding weak strong relay option advantage you have
if (1c = h)
5 this is only my opinion and outlines some of the prblems i found ( wasnt overfond of various 1nt incarnations in moscito either ) but each to there own luck all

[hrothgar]

slyq, on Apr 11 2010, 01:59 AM, said:

4 if you play transfer vairiants of moscito ( 1d =h etc)
this gives up to the opponents the two bites of the cherry (x and cue) without the corresponding weak strong relay option advantage you have if (1c = h)

Hard to play 1♣ = Hearts if you're forced to play strong club rather than strong pass.

I think that most anyone would agree that 1♦ = hearts has plenty of disadvantages. However, on balance, I think that the benefits outweigh the costs. The primary benefits, of course, being

1. Aligning the level of the opening bid with the frequency
2. Right siding many auctions following a relay response

I find it rather amusing that there is a parallel thread going on explaining how transfer responses to natural 1♣ openings are such a great improvement over natural methods or even Walsh.

[akhare]

hrothgar, on Apr 10 2010, 06:56 PM, said:

I think that most anyone would agree that 1♦ = hearts has plenty of disadvantages.  However, on balance, I think that the benefits outweigh the costs.  The primary benefits, of course, being

1.  Aligning the level of the opening bid with the frequency
2.  Right siding many auctions following a relay response

Didn't someone (RonLel?) report a while back that trying to play Moscito without transfer openings resulted in huge system losses?

[shevek]

hrothgar, on Apr 10 2010, 06:56 PM, said:

slyq, on Apr 11 2010, 01:59 AM, said:

4 if you play transfer vairiants of moscito ( 1d =h etc)
this gives up to the opponents the two bites of the cherry (x and cue) without the corresponding weak strong relay option advantage  you have if (1c = h)

Hard to play 1♣ = Hearts if you're forced to play strong club rather than strong pass.

I think that most anyone would agree that 1♦ = hearts has plenty of disadvantages. However, on balance, I think that the benefits outweigh the costs. The primary benefits, of course, being

1. Aligning the level of the opening bid with the frequency
2. Right siding many auctions following a relay response

I find it rather amusing that there is a parallel thread going on explaining how transfer responses to natural 1♣ openings are such a great improvement over natural methods or even Walsh.

The main advantage of 1♦ = ♥s is responder's natural 1♠ response.
Our 1♥ shows hearts (not spades) with 1♠ as relay. This means we have to respond 1NT on something like
♠KJxxx  ♥x  ♦Axx  ♣xxxx.

Right-siding is not a big deal. Sure you end up in 4♥ by opener if 1♥ = hearts but (1) most other games are right-sided and (2) the opening lead agqainst 4♥ is still blind, though the subsequent defence might be a touch easier. I'm struggling to recall an instance of that.

A big disadvantage of transfers is the inability to sit in 1-of-a-major. This has a cascading effect on other responses. When you pick up a hand that wants out, the choices are pass, 1NT & raising to 2♥. Such as
♠Kxx  ♥xxx  ♦xx  ♣Qxxxx

You may think this is an easy 1♦ - 2♥. As you wish. I guess you can bid 1♦ - 2♦ as a real raise. Etc, etc. Just love them transfers. (by opponents)

1♠ with spades is bad too, so we do 1♦ = spades & 1♥ = hearts, which we are happy with.

Of course we prefer Pass = 13+, 1♣ = hearts.

[Free]

slyq, on Apr 10 2010, 11:59 PM, said:

sorry if i upset anyone some of the -ve i found were
1 15+ club was to low
2 10+ opening seems not to work as well as 11+ for technical reasons (xcept perhaps in spades)
3 canape style openings work best in competition if there are some restrictions and flexibliity in suit quality for openings (a la blue club) (lead directional 4-3 fits etc)
4 if you play transfer vairiants of moscito ( 1d =h etc)
this gives up to the opponents the two bites of the cherry (x and cue)
without the corresponding weak strong relay option advantage you have
if (1c = h)
5 this is only my opinion and outlines some of the prblems i found ( wasnt overfond of various 1nt incarnations in moscito either ) but each to there own luck all

I underlined NEW TOPIC for a reason... Now we're going completely off topic, well done!