Hi all!
I was looking for an existing thread but did not find one...
Here is my problem:
LHO opens Polish 1♣, your partner passes and RHO bids a negative artificial 1♦. What do your following bids show?
1♣(A) pass 1♦(A) ?:
1. double
2. 1NT
3. 2♣
4. 2♦?
5. What would you bid after the above mentioned sequence with
♠Qx
♥xx
♦AKJxx
♣AK10x ? Do you choose another bid without the ♠Q?
6. In 2. position we pass with 5+ ♣s and bid them later, 2♣ shows a 2-suiter, x is for t/o (=short in ♣) or strong, any other bid common sense. Do you agree?
Have a nice day
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Defence over Polish-1club opening... ...and the 1diamond response
#1
Posted 2004-July-22, 01:43
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. (Groucho Marx)
#2
Posted 2004-July-22, 03:27
The way I play it after 1♣-p-1♦-?:
Dbl = Power Dbl (15+HCP any)
1NT = Any 2 suits, like a takeout Dbl (around (10)11-14 HCP).
2♣ = natural
2♦ = natural
I probably bid 2NT or Dbl with the hand given in 5.
6. I don't agree. I'm used to play 1♣-2♣ is natural when 1♣ can be less than a 3-card. Here I bid my ♣ immediatly, also to disrupt their system. The way I play vs Polish 1♣:
Dbl = Power Dbl (15+HCP any)
1♦ = nat
1M = nat, 4+ card
1NT = takeout (around (10)11-14 HCP)
2♣ = nat, good 5+ card
2♦ = multi: weak in a Major (5+ card) or strong hands
2M = 5M-4+m
Dbl = Power Dbl (15+HCP any)
1NT = Any 2 suits, like a takeout Dbl (around (10)11-14 HCP).
2♣ = natural
2♦ = natural
I probably bid 2NT or Dbl with the hand given in 5.
6. I don't agree. I'm used to play 1♣-2♣ is natural when 1♣ can be less than a 3-card. Here I bid my ♣ immediatly, also to disrupt their system. The way I play vs Polish 1♣:
Dbl = Power Dbl (15+HCP any)
1♦ = nat
1M = nat, 4+ card
1NT = takeout (around (10)11-14 HCP)
2♣ = nat, good 5+ card
2♦ = multi: weak in a Major (5+ card) or strong hands
2M = 5M-4+m
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
#3
Posted 2004-July-23, 06:51
Since 1♦ response can be natural with 7+ pts I'd suggest that a double shows both majors.
#4
Posted 2004-July-23, 07:56
Want to have fun with them?
1♣-(P)-1♦-?
Dbl = transfer to ♥, shows ♥ (weak or strong)
1♥ = transfer to ♠. shows ♠
1♠ = RAPTOR, shows 4♠ plus unknown longer minor
1NT = RAPTOR, shows 4♥ plus unknown longer minor
2♣ = 6+♦ or 55 or 54 (depends on guts) in majors
2♦ = 6+♥ or 5/5 in blacks
2♥ = 6+♠ or 5/5 in minors...
2♠ = 5♠/5♦
2NT = 5/5 in ♥ and minor
highers normal preempts
note, over 1♦ you might stretch and use RAPTOR 1♠ or 1NT with 3 card major given no other way to show clubs.. but use that with care.
The same scheme is used directly over 1♣ with the following exceptions.
1♣ - ?
DBL = clubs
1♦ = transfer to ♥,
all others as if after 1♣-P-1♦.
IF nothing else this is fun... so to answer your questions based upon this scheme...
1♣(A) pass 1♦(A) ?:
1. double --> shows ♥
2. 1NT --> shows ♥ plus longer minor
3. 2♣ --> shows ♦ or major two suiter
4. 2♦ --> Shows ♥ or ♠ plus ♣
♠Qx
♥xx
♦AKJxx
♣AK10x ? Do you choose another bid without the ♠Q?
I could choose between 2♣ showing ♦ (presumably six), 2♥ then pull showing 5/5 in the minors, or pass and bid later. I would need to take the vulnerablity into consideration, and rather or not it is matchpoints. But with this system I will pass now, and when they eventually bid a major, I can double back in. Partner will realize I didn't bid 1NT or 1♠ and work out that I am likely 5/4 or 4/4 in the minors, especially if htey bid ♥ and partner bids ♠ and I pull that.
Ben
1♣-(P)-1♦-?
Dbl = transfer to ♥, shows ♥ (weak or strong)
1♥ = transfer to ♠. shows ♠
1♠ = RAPTOR, shows 4♠ plus unknown longer minor
1NT = RAPTOR, shows 4♥ plus unknown longer minor
2♣ = 6+♦ or 55 or 54 (depends on guts) in majors
2♦ = 6+♥ or 5/5 in blacks
2♥ = 6+♠ or 5/5 in minors...
2♠ = 5♠/5♦
2NT = 5/5 in ♥ and minor
highers normal preempts
note, over 1♦ you might stretch and use RAPTOR 1♠ or 1NT with 3 card major given no other way to show clubs.. but use that with care.
The same scheme is used directly over 1♣ with the following exceptions.
1♣ - ?
DBL = clubs
1♦ = transfer to ♥,
all others as if after 1♣-P-1♦.
IF nothing else this is fun... so to answer your questions based upon this scheme...
1♣(A) pass 1♦(A) ?:
1. double --> shows ♥
2. 1NT --> shows ♥ plus longer minor
3. 2♣ --> shows ♦ or major two suiter
4. 2♦ --> Shows ♥ or ♠ plus ♣
♠Qx
♥xx
♦AKJxx
♣AK10x ? Do you choose another bid without the ♠Q?
I could choose between 2♣ showing ♦ (presumably six), 2♥ then pull showing 5/5 in the minors, or pass and bid later. I would need to take the vulnerablity into consideration, and rather or not it is matchpoints. But with this system I will pass now, and when they eventually bid a major, I can double back in. Partner will realize I didn't bid 1NT or 1♠ and work out that I am likely 5/4 or 4/4 in the minors, especially if htey bid ♥ and partner bids ♠ and I pull that.
Ben
--Ben--
#5
Posted 2004-July-23, 07:57
An option is using Truscott vs strong club:
since it says to pard which are your 2 suits, it is better suited fo auctions where there is still a constructive potential.
- a non jump bid shows the lower of 2 non touching suits
- non touching suits are shown by Double (which includes the last "suit" bid artificially by opps), or 1NT for the remaining 2 suits.
- single suiters are jump bids
- really good hands (5/5.5 losers or less if unbalanced, 17/18+ if bal) will pass 1 round then bid later
since it says to pard which are your 2 suits, it is better suited fo auctions where there is still a constructive potential.
- a non jump bid shows the lower of 2 non touching suits
- non touching suits are shown by Double (which includes the last "suit" bid artificially by opps), or 1NT for the remaining 2 suits.
- single suiters are jump bids
- really good hands (5/5.5 losers or less if unbalanced, 17/18+ if bal) will pass 1 round then bid later
"Bridge is like dance: technique's important but what really matters is not to step on partner's feet !"
#6
Posted 2004-July-23, 12:26
Thx for the answers
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. (Groucho Marx)
#7
Posted 2004-July-23, 13:20
Our defense over ANY strong/polish club style openings:
X - majors OR minors
1D/H - transfers to H/S
1S - red OR black suits
1NT - pointed or round
2X - natural
2NT - big unspecified two-suiter
X - majors OR minors
1D/H - transfers to H/S
1S - red OR black suits
1NT - pointed or round
2X - natural
2NT - big unspecified two-suiter
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