[olliebol]

Scoring: IMP

north 1HE south 1SP
north 2CL south ?

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goes between pass and 3 clubs here audience was divided. just curious so are we?

[rbforster]

Probably a pass for me. I'd be worried that partner would play me for more like a 10 count (or better) and this isnt one of those sequences where I've got a good and bad raise to 3♣ available. Our likely game (if any) looks like 3N given my major holdings, so I doubt we're making on power unless partner's got a really heavy 2♣ bid and even then I feel like we're going to get too high more often when he's got a 15 count instead of 18.

[cherdanno]

Pass. Can go wrong, of course.

[the hog]

Some who post here may only have a 3 card suit - see
http://forums.bridge...pic=33862&st=15

They will, of course, not be able to make a raise to 3C unless the play Alice in Wonderland Bridge -
A bid means what I say it means.

For the rest of us, it is close, but the 3 controls sway me in the aggressive direction.

[Cascade]

Ron are you suggesting that there are some who need four to introduce a new suit?

[pooltuna]

olliebol, on Aug 26 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

north 1HE south 1SP
north 2CL south ?

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goes between pass and 3 clubs here audience was divided. just curious so are we?

unlike others this is an easy pass for me

[nigel_k]

I would pass this, and yes, I did bid 2♣ on that other one,

I accept this approach is occasionally going to lead to a silly contract but I still think it is optimal overall. I'm not certain about a three card 2♣ on the other hand but am about passing this one.

[karlson]

I would bid, but I think it's very close.

[the hog]

Cascade, on Aug 27 2009, 07:55 AM, said:

Ron are you suggesting that there are some who need four to introduce a new suit?

Some of the old farts like to have the suits we actually bid.

[Phil]

3♣ for me.

[MarkDean]

I would pass. While it is possible that we have a game, it does not seem that likely. We do not have much help for partner's suits in 3NT, and 5 clubs seems a long way off. Much more likely that partner bids a bad one if I bid.

[Fluffy]

pass and I consider this a no brainer. Games are bridges too far.

[gwnn]

pass but I´m not 100% content with it. however I wouldn´t apologise if wrong

[rd6789]

pass - the clubs are weak - can't see us making game - maybe 3C with KC instead KD - we prob only have 8-card fit so I don't see any preemptive value of 3C

[mcphee]

Passing strikes me as a rather negative look at my hand. 3C is not at all unreasonable and this is my choice. Game is not out of the question at all and (although perfect hands) can make opposite x Axxxx Ax Axxxx with a bit of good fortune, and this hand is a bit minimum, and perhaps can have x Axxxx Ax AKxxx where the same good fortune with the round suits will produce 12 tricks, and his C could be worse AQ for example and still make 12 tricks. Passing places you at the end of the road, raising leaves the door open, this is imps after all.

3C gets a 10 from me
pass gets a 2

[andy_h]

I'm a passer although not liking it. An ace and a king along with 4card support I can see game making but I can also picture 3♣ going down or maybe that may excite partner more. If my K was in clubs then it's an easy 3♣ bid but because it's not and I have a singleton heart, it persuades me to a pass.

[mich-b]

PASS.
Sometimes we can make game, but by bidding 3♣ we will go down too many times, until we reach a makeable game.

[Fluffy]

mcphee, on Aug 27 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

Passing strikes me as a rather negative look at my hand. 3C is not at all unreasonable and this is my choice. Game is not out of the question at all and (although perfect hands) can make opposite x Axxxx Ax Axxxx with a bit of good fortune, and this hand is a bit minimum, and perhaps can have x Axxxx Ax AKxxx where the same good fortune with the round suits will produce 12 tricks, and his C could be worse AQ for example and still make 12 tricks. Passing places you at the end of the road, raising leaves the door open, this is imps after all.

3C gets a 10 from me
pass gets a 2

Wow you have strong opinion .

So with ♠Axxx ♥x ♦Kxxx ♣Kxxx what do you bid?, what about ♣A?

If you raise on crap you will have problems when you do not have it.


One small point more, your holding on spades ♠Axxx is bad for a limit raise, partner doesn't have the right info to decide. He is gonna misjudge his spade/diamond holdings very often. Let alone the hearts, where he might think KQJxx is supperb.

[effervesce]

Auto-pass for me. Yes, there are the occasional hand where we miss a game, but its much more likely bidding 3♣ will end up going down, or make 3♣ so wideranging that its much more difficult to reach the correct spot.

[olliebol]

So to be complete here is partners hand:

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what he or she wil bid on three clubs is probably three hearts and after that i dunno. tx for all the answers.