[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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Opps pass:
1♠-2♥
2♠-3♥
??
 
Your agreements:
2♥ is not Game forcing and 3♥ is 6 card and limit.
Your 2♠ was the only bid that is not game forcing.
Do you have enough to bid 4♥ (or 3NT) now?
 
Thanks,
Koen
PS: We feel that this bidding is not flexible enough and consider to make this sequence GF. Responder should then rebid 2NT iso 3♥ without a GF hand.

[helene_t]

yeah 4♥, my 3 aces are a lot more useful than what honors I might have had so this is more than 13 points.

[peachy]

Responder has invitational values with 6-card hearts. I raise to 4H. Opening hand could have been much softer, aces are great to retain control and take tricks.

[se12sam]

4♥ sounds right

[kenrexford]

Let's give partner a reasonable hand and play it.

♠x ♥KQxxxx ♦KQx ♣xxx

Nothing special there. But, it looks like the hand probably will turn on hearts coming in for one loser.

This will often be the case, I'd bet.

With only two outside entries, the spades probably won't be established to ditch some loser. Spade to Ace, ruff, spade to side Ace, ruff, spade to other side Ace, ruff, abandoned spade winner.

So, three pure covers will probably make this game roughly 50-50 in the long run, by my guestimation.

Add in the J, 10, or even 9 to the heart suit, and the odds of hearts coming in with only one loser seems to increase.

So, if I changed the hand to Axxxx-Jx-Axx-Axx, 4♥ for sure. With this hand, I would not be surprised if passing was the long winner.

[pooltuna]

kgr, on Aug 22 2009, 05:35 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

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Opps pass:
1♠-2♥
2♠-3♥
??
 
Your agreements:
2♥ is not Game forcing and 3♥ is 6 card and limit.
Your 2♠ was the only bid that is not game forcing.
Do you have enough to bid 4♥ (or 3NT) now?
 
Thanks,
Koen
PS: We feel that this bidding is not flexible enough and consider to make this sequence GF. Responder should then rebid 2NT iso 3♥ without a GF hand.

I would pass over 3♥

[benlessard]

4H seems obvious.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

given that you play MP, I would say pass will be the most likely way to go plus,
playing IMPs you have to go for game, but game wont be 50% or better.
Most likely I would game 4H, but this is only because I bid at MP the way I would
with IMP scoring.

You have 8 loosers, partner will have at best 7, you only have a mediocrite trump
fit and 3 cover cards for partner, so pass is certainly the percentage bid.

This analysis does not take into account, if partner is agressive or conservative,
and depending on his personality bidding 4 may become even clearcut at MP.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cascade]

Three aces and a fit is plenty.

PS I like the style.

[kgr]

Thanks for the answers, partners hand was something like:

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3H made +1
(note that it is difficult for partner to bid 4H without knowing that we have a fit)

[Codo]

As far as I know you use quite weak openings, so partners approach was fine.
He should have forced to game opposite a different opening style.

If you open light, you must bid game with your hand.
If you do not open light, you MAY bid 4 Heart at mps.

[655321]

You have shown a minimum hand, and you have 3 Aces and a fit. If you don't bid 4♥ here, when will you ever bid 4♥ on this auction?

[P_Marlowe]

655321, on Aug 23 2009, 06:45 AM, said:

You have shown a minimum hand, and you have 3 Aces and a fit. If you don't bid 4♥ here, when will you ever bid 4♥ on this auction?

I wont comment on the decision, but 2S did not show a min. hand,
if I understood the system description, 2H promised another bid,
i.e. 2S simply denied the ability to make a more descriptive bid,
but it did not deny a better than min. opener.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kgr]

P_Marlowe, on Aug 23 2009, 04:10 PM, said:

655321, on Aug 23 2009, 06:45 AM, said:

You have shown a minimum hand, and you have 3 Aces and a fit.  If you don't bid 4♥ here, when will you ever bid 4♥ on this auction?

I wont comment on the decision, but 2S did not show a min. hand,
if I understood the system description, 2H promised another bid,
i.e. 2S simply denied the ability to make a more descriptive bid,
but it did not deny a better than min. opener.

With kind regards
Marlowe

It showed less than 15 pts.

[P_Marlowe]

kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 10:25 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Aug 23 2009, 04:10 PM, said:

655321, on Aug 23 2009, 06:45 AM, said:

You have shown a minimum hand, and you have 3 Aces and a fit.  If you don't bid 4♥ here, when will you ever bid 4♥ on this auction?

I wont comment on the decision, but 2S did not show a min. hand,
if I understood the system description, 2H promised another bid,
i.e. 2S simply denied the ability to make a more descriptive bid,
but it did not deny a better than min. opener.

With kind regards
Marlowe

It showed less than 15 pts.

was 2S passable?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kgr]

P_Marlowe, on Aug 23 2009, 07:01 PM, said:

kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 10:25 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Aug 23 2009, 04:10 PM, said:

655321, on Aug 23 2009, 06:45 AM, said:

You have shown a minimum hand, and you have 3 Aces and a fit.  If you don't bid 4♥ here, when will you ever bid 4♥ on this auction?

I wont comment on the decision, but 2S did not show a min. hand,
if I understood the system description, 2H promised another bid,
i.e. 2S simply denied the ability to make a more descriptive bid,
but it did not deny a better than min. opener.

With kind regards
Marlowe

It showed less than 15 pts.

was 2S passable?

With kind regards
Marlowe

Not really. Responder will always have enough to bid 2NT or to raise to 3S.

[Cascade]

kgr, on Aug 24 2009, 07:42 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Aug 23 2009, 07:01 PM, said:

kgr, on Aug 23 2009, 10:25 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Aug 23 2009, 04:10 PM, said:

655321, on Aug 23 2009, 06:45 AM, said:

You have shown a minimum hand, and you have 3 Aces and a fit.  If you don't bid 4♥ here, when will you ever bid 4♥ on this auction?

I wont comment on the decision, but 2S did not show a min. hand,
if I understood the system description, 2H promised another bid,
i.e. 2S simply denied the ability to make a more descriptive bid,
but it did not deny a better than min. opener.

With kind regards
Marlowe

It showed less than 15 pts.

was 2S passable?

With kind regards
Marlowe

Not really. Responder will always have enough to bid 2NT or to raise to 3S.

Love it.

Dylan Moran has a great skit about "not really"

Dylan Moran

About 6 minutes 12 seconds in but it is all good if you are not too sensitive

More seriously in SAYC and 2/1 2♠ should be forcing.

2/1 is obvious since the 2/1 was GF.

SAYC has the rule that a 2/1 will promise a rebid.