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Big Club at top US levels More?

Poll: At the top open US levels, more big club or not? (27 member(s) have cast votes)

At the top open US levels, more big club or not?

  1. More Big Club (14 votes [51.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.85%

  2. More Big Club, especially 2C=6+, 2D=Short D, 1NT=14-16 (5 votes [18.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.52%

  3. About the same (4 votes [14.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.81%

  4. About the same, except more unusual systems (2 votes [7.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

  5. About the same, except less unusual systems (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Less Big Club (2 votes [7.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

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Posted 2008-May-14, 07:34

Compared to 2000-2006 average use, please vote if are we seeing more big club or not at top open US levels?

My feeling is that we are seeing less 2/1, and more big club, especially 2C=6+, 2D=Short D, 1NT=14-16.

For the 08 open trials, please see:

US Open Team Profiles

In some cases, where an acbl card link is ".pdf", replace with ".jpg", such as for:

Wold-Passell cc

Compare to their 2006: Wold-Passell 06 system summary

These are my poster boys for the return to the big club. Their teammates Landen-Pratrap seem to have abandoned at some point the super light/four card majors approach they used not-vulnerable.
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Posted 2008-May-16, 05:55

Thanks for all the votes on this.

I'm told from informed sources that Landen-Pratrap continue to use their featherweight not vulnerable style in some events, but have decided for the US trials not to use it for undisclosed reasons. In reference to the thread that Flame started today, I guess they decided to be tame and not so free wheeling.

btw if Flame can start a thread on Free style, can Free start a Flame war?
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Posted 2008-May-16, 10:28

Yes there is more than there used to be, especially of the meckwell lite system that you described.
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Posted 2008-May-16, 13:17

Jlall, on May 16 2008, 04:28 PM, said:

Yes there is more than there used to be, especially of the meckwell lite system that you described.

Unfortunately bidding like Meckwell is insufficient for success.

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Posted 2008-May-16, 13:59

Hi all,
It seems like the Meckwell openings are becoming a kind of fad among new and not-so-new pro partnerships. E.g. I sat down to watch Eddie Wold and Bart Bramley in Gatlinburg and there it was, the Meckwell opening structure. Soloway played it with Meckstroth the previous Gatlinburg. Meckwell play it with many of their clients. Grue-Cheek play it. And the 1H 8-11 response (Meck Lite) is what most seem to play. Also throw in the American juniors who seem to play it a lot.

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Posted 2008-May-16, 14:01

DJNeill, on May 16 2008, 02:59 PM, said:

Hi all,
It seems like the Meckwell openings are becoming a kind of fad among new and not-so-new pro partnerships.  E.g. I sat down to watch Eddie Wold and Bart Bramley in Gatlinburg and there it was, the Meckwell opening structure.  Soloway played it with Meckstroth the previous Gatlinburg.  Meckwell play it with many of their clients.  Grue-Cheek play it.  And the 1H 8-11 response (Meck Lite) is what most seem to play.  Also throw in the American juniors who seem to play it a lot.

Thanks,
Dan

hampson plays it...fred plays it...jacobus plays it... the list goes on and on.
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Posted 2008-May-16, 14:40

Jlall, on May 16 2008, 12:01 PM, said:

hampson plays it...fred plays it...jacobus plays it... the list goes on and on.

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Posted 2008-May-16, 23:08

There is a lot of stealing going on with 14-16 Nt, with weak responses after 1M opening or after 1C opening. I think when players are going to defend with a good ratio of constructive bids/destructive bids its going to be ok but right now they are reaping profits.
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Posted 2008-May-24, 19:52

For the unfamiliar:

(1) What does "Meckwell openings" mean? Is it something different from 1D = may be short, 1NT = 14-16, 2C = 6+, 2D = 4-3 or 4-4 in the majors and 0-1 diamonds?

(2) Why would the 1H (8-11 HCP) response be called Meck Lite? Isn't that what Hamman and Soloway played? Also: is online documentation available for these responses and continuations other than the Hamman-Soloway convention cards at ecatsbridge?
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Posted 2008-May-25, 00:16

I believe only 1 pair in the women trials is playing a strong club system.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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