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#1 User is offline   catch22 

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Posted 2007-December-26, 12:40

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What would you bid on this hand on the following auctions:
[3H] ?
[3H] P P ?
[4H] ?
[4H] P P ?

Would vulnerability affect your choice?

If you double in the pass out seat, would you bid spades if LHOs pre-empts are known to be sound.
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Posted 2007-December-26, 13:11

Min # of spades in all cases.
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Posted 2007-December-26, 13:16

I bid 3S automatically over either 3H preempt.

Over 4H, I pass both times, but I feel dirty about it.
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Posted 2007-December-26, 13:44

I bid spades at the three level and double at the four level.

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Posted 2007-December-26, 13:52

cardsharp, on Dec 26 2007, 02:44 PM, said:

I bid spades at the three level and double at the four level.

Paul

I agree. Though I found double tempting after 3 P P since partner might be waiting over the bidder.

Sorry Phil, I really hate 4 over 4, it's just too high a level to not choose your more flexible option. Who knows maybe others agree with you though.
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Posted 2007-December-26, 14:22

3 for sure over the 3 preempt but I'll double the 4 preempt as I prefer to have a bit better prospects for 4 which is also certainly easier and less risky for the opps to whack. I have too much to pass the 4 preempt, IMHO.
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Posted 2007-December-26, 14:53

pclayton, on Dec 26 2007, 02:11 PM, said:

Min # of spades in all cases.

I agree. The spade quality is critical. I would not give up hope opposite a stiff, and a nice stiff would be even better.
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Posted 2007-December-26, 15:16

kenrexford, on Dec 26 2007, 03:53 PM, said:

pclayton, on Dec 26 2007, 02:11 PM, said:

Min # of spades in all cases.

I agree. The spade quality is critical. I would not give up hope opposite a stiff, and a nice stiff would be even better.

Yeah, who would want to defend 4X if partner had a stiff spade....
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Posted 2007-December-26, 15:28

jdonn, on Dec 26 2007, 04:16 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Dec 26 2007, 03:53 PM, said:

pclayton, on Dec 26 2007, 02:11 PM, said:

Min # of spades in all cases.

I agree. The spade quality is critical. I would not give up hope opposite a stiff, and a nice stiff would be even better.

Yeah, who would want to defend 4X if partner had a stiff spade....

I'm more concerned about when partner has Jx or Kx and we are in a minor or something.
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Posted 2007-December-26, 18:31

I think you have to double 4
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Posted 2007-December-26, 18:37

3 x 2, double x 2.

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Posted 2007-December-26, 19:16

I dont have strong feelings about 4S versus double.

4S tends to find the good 5-2 or 5-3 game. Even a 5-4 game can be a problem since pard will often leave in a double with a semi balanced hand.

The double will net us a nice penalty when we dont have game, but I dont think theres any other benefit.
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Posted 2007-December-26, 19:55

I have no strong feelings on 3S vs double (I would X), but doubling 4H looks clear to me.
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Posted 2007-December-27, 01:43

3S over 3H,

after 4H ... i pass. X is tempting but i find the hand too light. Bidding 4S is simply bad imho.

after 4H p,p im strong enough to X.
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Posted 2007-December-27, 01:59

I pass both in direct seat, reopen with 3 and double.
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Posted 2007-December-27, 02:19

3S over 3H and double over 4H.


I need to do something, otherwise we prove the value of bidding 4H with any excuse. Don't like ignoring a five card spade suit, but I'm not unilaterally bidding 4S on this.
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Posted 2007-December-27, 02:28

Bid at the 3 level, and X at the 4 level, like most people.

Bidding at the 4 level is too committal, but it is not ridiculous, and could work.
Likewise, doubling at the 3 level is likely to miss a fit, but it too is not crazy and could work.

But passing in the direct seat, with a singleton and such a good hand is losing bridge.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2007-December-28, 01:52

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The double will net us a nice penalty when we dont have game, but I dont think theres any other benefit.



What about when it's right to play in 5m rather than 4?
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