[fred]

If you have no idea what this question is about, read this thread.

If you chose "some", please explain how to determine which signs are appropriate.

Anyone who is able to provide a good definition for "some" should surely be considered as a candidate for the soon to be created WBF Sign Approval Committee.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[matmat]

i really, really, really wanted to vote "all signs." I don't really care if someone has something to publicize. if it is something i don't agree with i'll just ignore it, and, perhaps, lose a little respect for the person that holds such views. Unfortunately, allowing all signs may lead to obscene, lewd, abusive (etc.) signs and, as a lot of that is subjective it is very difficult to police to everyone's satisfaction. therefore -- no signs.

[han]

What does "appropriate" mean?

Does it mean "encouraged"? Is it the opposite of "expect to be banned if you do this"?

Can something be tasteless and still be appropriate?

[Al_U_Card]

A sign with Hi "significant family member" or 'Paul is dead' ; everything else is verboten.

[fred]

Hannie, on Oct 17 2007, 12:12 AM, said:

Can something be tasteless and still be appropriate?

If you allow some signs then this will be a matter for the WBF Sign Approval Committee to decide. They will also have to decide what constitutes "tasteless" (and perhaps appoint a sub-committee for that purpose).

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[Walddk]

fred, on Oct 17 2007, 02:32 AM, said:

Hannie, on Oct 17 2007, 12:12 AM, said:

Can something be tasteless and still be appropriate?

If you allow some signs then this will be a matter for the WBF Sign Approval Committee to decide. They will also have to decide what constitutes "tasteless" (and perhaps appoint a sub-committee for that purpose).

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

Hilarious

[han]

The reason I asked is that I am not sure what I should vote. I think the award ceremony is not the right place for a political sign. So in that sense I should probably vote for "no sign is appropriate", even though I cannot imagine that somebody would object to the sign I mentioned in the other thread.

On the other hand, I think that asking for punishment is far too much. If the WBF installs a rule that forbids any signs at award ceremonies then that would be fine with me. If the USBF asks for an apology or issues a statement that says that they regret the action, that seems reasonable as well.

I recommend that Roland refrains from commenting on humor for the same reason as I won't comment on what it is like to play in a world championship.

[ralph23]

"Some" would be appropriate IMO if done without laughing through and making a mockery of the national anthem.

For instance, "Our Team is Great" and so on. I don't believe you can make a general rule.

Vulgarity would never be OK.

However, also IMO the "sign" issue misses the point, and more importantly, distracts from the more important point.

It's not the ladies' politics or their objection (do they object?) to the war, or who they vote for. I doubt if anyone really cares who they voted for. But that's not the point.

The point is how disrespectfully they behaved during the national anthem. They could have held a sign and done it respectfully, and sung the anthem in the manner it deserves, without creating distractions or boisterousness. Instead, they acted like a bunch of adolescents.

If they hate Bush (they didn't say this), that's OK with me.

If they are against the war, that's OK with me.

If they in fact hate America, and our flag and anthem, that's not OK with me. If they do, and think it's Nazi Germany reincarnated, let them say so and have it out.

If they don't, then they should apologize. NOT for the sign. The sign is a red herring. For their behavior during the anthem. That was not appropriate, and they should know that.

[pclayton]

No sign is appropriate.

I might make an occasional exception for "Hi Mom" from the schools division.

Oh, and another thing. When you are on the podium, DRESS ACCORDINGLY. Wear a tie and keep your damn jacket buttoned.

[cherdano]

pclayton, on Oct 16 2007, 07:13 PM, said:

No sign is appropriate.

I might make an occasional exception for "Hi Mom" from the schools division.

Oh, and another thing. When you are on the podium, DRESS ACCORDINGLY. Wear a tie and keep your damn jacket buttoned.

This post sums it up nicely. Holding a sign is about as inappropriate as not wearing a tie when you receive the medal.

[glen]

holy stuffing, they weren't wearing ties either

[cherdano]

fred, on Oct 16 2007, 05:40 PM, said:

If you have no idea what this question is about, read this thread.

If you chose "some", please explain how to determine which signs are appropriate.

Anyone who is able to provide a good definition for "some" should surely be considered as a candidate for the soon to be created WBF Sign Approval Committee.

Nice sarcasm, Fred, but maybe one can also be of the opinion that
1. a political sign on the podium is inappropriate, but
2. that we can leave it to the players whether they behave appropriately or embarrass themselves a bit by doing something inappropriate, and that there is no need for a WBF sign approval committee.

I suppose you will also think that not any kind of dress is appropriate for a WBF victory ceremony, and still I haven't heard you calling for a WBF dress approval ceremony.

[Walddk]

pclayton, on Oct 17 2007, 03:13 AM, said:

Oh, and another thing. When you are on the podium, DRESS ACCORDINGLY. Wear a tie and keep your damn jacket buttoned.

You can hardly demand that women wear ties and jackets, but if you insist, I guess we need to appoint yet another sub-committee. The WBF Tie, Jacket or Not Sub-Committee.

Roland

[glen]

Walddk, on Oct 16 2007, 09:45 PM, said:

The WBF Tie, Jacket or Not Sub-Committee.

I knew these new laws were going to be trouble.

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Relevant+polite+positive signs are appropriate.

So “this is for you Ma” would be okay.
“We f’ing did it”, well relevant and positive, would not be appropriate.
“We went commando” might be relevant to the current photo/video opportunity, but doesn’t meet the Basic Instinct standard for event relevance.

[jtfanclub]

pclayton, on Oct 16 2007, 08:13 PM, said:

No sign is appropriate.

I might make an occasional exception for "Hi Mom" from the schools division.

Oh, and another thing. When you are on the podium, DRESS ACCORDINGLY. Wear a tie and keep your damn jacket buttoned.

Suppose the non-playing captain, or even one of the players, dies during the tournamnet....

Now can you have an "In Memoriam" sign?

I agree that no there shouldn't be any political signs, but I don't think the line is at 'no signs'.

[han]

ralph23, on Oct 16 2007, 08:08 PM, said:

"Some" would be appropriate IMO if done without laughing through and making a mockery of the national anthem.

For instance, "Our Team is Great" and so on. I don't believe you can make a general rule.

Vulgarity would never be OK.

However, also IMO the "sign" issue misses the point, and more importantly, distracts from the more important point.

It's not the ladies' politics or their objection (do they object?) to the war, or who they vote for. I doubt if anyone really cares who they voted for. But that's not the point.

The point is how disrespectfully they behaved during the national anthem. They could have held a sign and done it respectfully, and sung the anthem in the manner it deserves, without creating distractions or boisterousness. Instead, they acted like a bunch of adolescents.

If they hate Bush (they didn't say this), that's OK with me.

If they are against the war, that's OK with me.

If they in fact hate America, and our flag and anthem, that's not OK with me. If they do, and think it's Nazi Germany reincarnated, let them say so and have it out.

If they don't, then they should apologize. NOT for the sign. The sign is a red herring. For their behavior during the anthem. That was not appropriate, and they should know that.

Did you see the video?

[pclayton]

cherdano, on Oct 16 2007, 05:38 PM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 16 2007, 07:13 PM, said:

No sign is appropriate.

I might make an occasional exception for "Hi Mom" from the schools division.

Oh, and another thing. When you are on the podium, DRESS ACCORDINGLY. Wear a tie and keep your damn jacket buttoned.

This post sums it up nicely. Holding a sign is about as inappropriate as not wearing a tie when you receive the medal.

I doubt the Chinese would agree with this POV Arend.

[cherdano]

pclayton, on Oct 16 2007, 08:37 PM, said:

cherdano, on Oct 16 2007, 05:38 PM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 16 2007, 07:13 PM, said:

No sign is appropriate.

I might make an occasional exception for "Hi Mom" from the schools division.

Oh, and another thing. When you are on the podium, DRESS ACCORDINGLY. Wear a tie and keep your damn jacket buttoned.

This post sums it up nicely. Holding a sign is about as inappropriate as not wearing a tie when you receive the medal.

I doubt the Chinese would agree with this POV Arend.

Yes, and some in the Islamic world would disagree the other way round, and find the dresses the women's dresses at the ceremony shocking and unacceptable. Your point is?

[han]

From now on when asking whether something is appropriate, ask yourself: What Would China Do?

[jillybean]

pclayton, on Oct 16 2007, 06:13 PM, said:

Oh, and another thing. When you are on the podium, DRESS ACCORDINGLY. Wear a tie and keep your damn jacket buttoned.

And SHAVE!