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Posted 2004-February-04, 20:49

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2NT - 3
???


You're playing with an intermediate player who knows Jacoby transfers and should consider 2NT as 20-22HCP. She doesn't play a lot of other conventions, except RKC.

What do you bid? Do you feel like slambidding, do you want to play 3 opposite a 0HCP hand and miss a possible game, anything else?
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Posted 2004-February-04, 21:11

Well, some sort of super accept I guess. Playing with my regular pd I would bid 3N - which pretty well shows what I've got here - a great hand in support of S and rich in controls.
Note that 3N may well make opposite as little as
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Where you have no play for 4S. Playing with an intermediate player, without that agreement I don't know. Ah well, 3N anyway I suppose! Who knows, I might have a story to tell!
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Posted 2004-February-05, 06:42

3 spades, what's the problem?
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Posted 2004-February-05, 07:46

With a couple of partners I play that neijmeirer (spelling) business, so I couldn't bid 3NT over 3. So with those guys I guess I would bid 3, with others, I think I would take a shot at 3NT. We have 8 top tricks (5 at least, and partner might have a 6th, and three side ACES). There is always a chance for a hook. Four spades has also great chance unless we have mirror images (same heart hook, and a ruff of one of my three card suits in partners hand).

Generally, I do not superaccept after 2NT (but do after 1NT, in fact I do more than complete the transfer over 1NT with any four card fit). But this hand is an exception. I want to be in game at least opposite any five 's. Let partner pick the right one.

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Posted 2004-February-05, 17:14

With a couple of partners I play that neijmeirer (spelling) business, so I couldn't bid 3NT over 3♥

Can you explain this please, Ben.
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Posted 2004-February-05, 17:52

Niemeijer Transfers structure over 2NT (note the meaning of 3NT after 3H transfer to spades).

3D - Transfer to 3H
3H = accepting
3N = 2 H + 5S
4D = retransfer to H
4H = transfer to S
3H - Transfer to Spades
3S = accept
3NT = 2H, 5S
4D = transfer to H
4H = transfer to S
3S = club transfer, slam interest
3NT = 5S + 4H, non-forcing***
4C = diamond transfer, slam interest
4D = 5H + 5S, opener places contract
3C: Specialized Stayman
3NT = no four or 5 card major
3H = five card Heart suit
3S = five card Spade Suit
3D = some four card major
3H = looking for S fit?
3S = looking for H fit?
4D = name your major
3NT = I was looking for five card major
4S: ACE ASKING
4NT - invites 6NT
5NT: - invite 7NT, force 6NT *
6NT - sign-offs
7NT: - sign-offs

The main idea is to find any 5-3 even when you as 2NT opener has only 2 card in partners major but have your own five card suit. For more on Niemeijer see the following (I have stopped playing this with all but papatgreek as it doesn't seem worth the effort...)

http://www.bridgeguys.com/LittleKnown/Bied...lueEnglish.html

http://home.nikocity...nt/Neimejer.htm

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Posted 2004-February-06, 05:12

Let's get the spelling over with. The convention is attributed to Chris Niemeijer.
Anyway, an improvement I play is to invert the meaning of opener's 3H and 3NT rebid:

2NT - 3C
3H = no 4- or 5-card major (3S is now minor suit ask)
3NT = 5 hearts

Not for the forgetful, of course.

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Posted 2004-February-10, 18:08

4 , pd cannot pass that. Hopefully my pd will something smart.

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Posted 2004-February-13, 01:25

3, accept the transfer, no problem.

After 2NT, all responder bids are forcing to game. Partner cannot pass. After the expected 3NT rebid I can cue bid 4 and hope that partner will co-operate.

If partner passes after 3 then it becomes a lesson hand and the partnership will be improved.
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Posted 2004-February-13, 05:16

3 ... i don't think super accept is any good here... give pard a chance.. next bid is probably 3nt by her anyway, which you correct to 4
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Posted 2004-February-13, 09:41

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I bid 5 and partner made it 6. Lucky they lead small right in my fork :) Otherwise you can only make it with a mistake of East, playing Q when you still have your Ace...
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Posted 2004-February-13, 12:54

Free, on Feb 13 2004, 03:41 PM, said:

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I bid 5 and partner made it 6. Lucky they lead small right in my fork :) Otherwise you can only make it with a mistake of East, playing Q when you still have your Ace...

Free, if you dont mind, i would say 5S is a very bad bid. You are lucky, coz pd has all cards you need, ck, djt9. What if he didnt have it? If you think pd will have this kind card, then why not expect more, to start with 4c, showing good fit?


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Posted 2004-February-13, 13:34

Free, on Feb 13 2004, 10:41 AM, said:

I bid 5 and partner made it 6.  Lucky they lead small right in my fork  :)   Otherwise you can only make it with a mistake of East, playing Q when you still have your Ace...

Am I to understand when you said your partner made 6 that after you bid 5 he raised to 6? No doubt I would raise 5 to 6 as well, but just want to be sure on the mechanics.

Do you think if you had jumped instead to only 4, your partner would have also carried on to 6? Or did you partner think you were really distorted hand pattern for 5, maybe something like AKx Ax Ax AQJxxx?

I have to admit, I think that a jump to 5 is a particularily silly bid, there are so many horrible hands you could have caught partner with and gone down 3 or so. And worse, there are plenty of average hands you could have caught him with and gone down one (ARRRHGGGHHH-nothing makes me feel worse than down one in five in a major on an uncontested auction in all of bridge).

You said: "Otherwise you can only make it with a mistake of East, playing ♦Q when you still have your Ace... " As a side note, this isn't true. There is a play for 6 even without a lead involving leading a low from your hand, keeping the ACE in hand, and ruffing one , cashing the ACE, and running your winners... known as a vienna coup, you squeeze WEST in (threat dummy's J and south's T... your partner wouldn't have bid the slam without the JACK would he??? lol.... but that is another story....
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Posted 2004-February-13, 17:59

I dont think Free could possibly mean he bid 5S over the transfer. It probably went 2N 3H 4C 5S 6S or something like that.
An immediate 5S bid is from Mars.
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Posted 2004-February-13, 21:10

what is the reasoning behind bidding anything other than 3 or (maybe) 4? partner could have zilch.. if pard has anything, she'll bid again... what i don't understand is 4 or any other super accept bid...

if partner passes 3, odds are it's the place to be.. if you just can't stand the thought of playing in 3, bid 4
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Posted 2004-February-13, 21:18

luke warm, on Feb 13 2004, 10:10 PM, said:

what is the reasoning behind bidding anything other than 3 or (maybe) 4? partner could have zilch.. if pard has anything, she'll bid again... what i don't understand is 4 or any other super accept bid...

if partner passes 3, odds are it's the place to be.. if you just can't stand the thought of playing in 3, bid 4

There is a VERY SOUND reason to bid something other than 3. Give your partner as little as... you have nearly a 50% chance to win 9 tricks in NT...



IF split 2-1 and if K is onside or if they lead a you have 9 tricks... 5+2+two minor aces. I think THE ONLY bid with this hand is 3NT... (as long as not playing that dutch convention).

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