You open 1♦, showing 4+♦ (still not 'sayc' but natural), partner responds 1♥. If you bid 1♠ partner bids 1NT.
Is there a consensus II Same hand, stronger
#1
Posted 2005-December-14, 04:22
You open 1♦, showing 4+♦ (still not 'sayc' but natural), partner responds 1♥. If you bid 1♠ partner bids 1NT.
#2
Posted 2005-December-14, 04:26
Isn't the answer to one of them sufficient to deduce the answer to the other?
#3
Posted 2005-December-14, 04:32
#4
Posted 2005-December-14, 06:08
#5
Posted 2005-December-14, 06:22
I show invitional values, ask about 5♥ and club stopper. WTP?
#6
Posted 2005-December-14, 06:54
#7
Posted 2005-December-14, 18:28
mila85, on Dec 14 2005, 12:22 PM, said:
I show invitional values, ask about 5♥ and club stopper. WTP?
The problem I see is 2♣ is a convention used by responder, not opener .Of course you can play it the way you want.
#8
Posted 2005-December-14, 18:50
pclayton, on Dec 14 2005, 12:54 PM, said:
Agree with this at least as far as North America goes. I am sure there are experts in other parts of the world that would find your statement bizarre.
As far as I can tell it is universally accepted by the expert community in North America that 1D-1H-1S-1NT-2H promises extra values.
With a minimum 4351 hand, it is OK to bid 1S as long as you are prepared to Pass partner's 1NT or 2D rebid. Otherwise you should raise to 2H on the first round.
Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com
#9
Posted 2005-December-14, 21:12
I'm not disputing what you say. But I always thought that in general a delayed raise as opposed to a direct raise showed a weaker or flawed hand.
#10
Posted 2005-December-15, 12:42
The possibility responder can have 2-4-2-5 shape and has become end played into bidding 1NT with no preference on a minimum hand quite likely. The extra values allow greater comfort playing a poor 4-3 fit.
#11
Posted 2005-December-16, 17:57
Also different is that 1 has minimum while the other shows extras.